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pbk
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posted March 03, 2005 02:02 PM  
what is the difference between a camaro frame and a monte carlo frame? i am looking to buy a monte carlo roller, but i have never had any experience with oone any help would be appreiiated.

snowman
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posted March 03, 2005 03:10 PM  
A monte is a "full frame" car.....from the front bumper mounts to the rear bumper mounts is connected.....you can remove the body and the frame stays intact......

A Camaro has "sub-frames".....the front and rear sub-frames are connected only by the body of the car.......no frame or channel connecting the two pieces........this is called a uni-body......the body provides much of the strength of the car.......

Usually, You are allowed to tie the sub-frames together for strength......some rules call this "sub-frame connectors"

Of course, the parts and geometry of the frames are different as well......

Good Luck,
snowman

pbk
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posted March 03, 2005 06:03 PM  
which is better,and does the monte carlo have the same steering geometry as the camaro?

[This message has been edited by pbk (edited March 03, 2005).]

o5racer
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posted March 03, 2005 07:13 PM  
What year of monte and what year of camaro are you refering to? the mid 70s camaro and mid 70s monte had identical front ends. the only difference was the pitman arm and centerlink. Now the montes and camaros from the 80s were very different.
Nick

snowman
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posted March 03, 2005 07:26 PM  
Which is better?????? Well, I guess it depends on who you ask.......Do a search, You will see the Camaro vs. metric debated many times........

They both have thier advantages and disadvantages......

In stock form, the Camaro has better front end geometry.......(completely different from the metric)......the parts do not interchange......In a purestock, advantage Camaro.......

Bad thing about Camaro's........the parts are much harder to find and much more expensive when you do........You will bend things......a-arms and quarters......they are harder to come by.......Unibodies,in general, do not take abuse as well as a full frame......usually damaged more and harder to fix........

The sub-frames must be connected to attain some stiffness........It is more difficult to build than the mertics......more difficult to make it as safe as the metric............It also has rear leafs.......which some like and some don't.....either way, they cost more than the metrics.....(which use coil springs)

The front end on the metrics is not as good as the Camaro......The bump on them is bad......they are narrower.....roll over more....(good and bad thing)

They are much easier to find, parts are plentiful and cheap......the full frame makes it easier to build (particularily for rookies).....the coil springs make adjusting/changing them easier and cheaper......they will roll steer more, good for tight tracks.......

To each his own, learn to drive and tune it to your track and you can win with either........I prefer the metric.......

Good Luck,
snowman

snowman
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posted March 03, 2005 07:51 PM  
Sorry Nick, posting at the same time........

Yeah......what Nick said....

The monte I am refering to is the 78-87....commonly refered to as the "small metric"........quite different from the Camaros........

Good Luck,
snowman

shifty8
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posted March 04, 2005 08:26 AM  
we have 2 camaros that run in my prostock class and the rest r metric i run an 81 monty and we r just as fast as the camaros. the 1 camaro got 8 wins but had to cheat to do so. and was caught so i just it dont pay to cheat...lmao

Mikey14
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posted March 10, 2005 10:29 AM  
The leaf vs coil spring accounts for a ton of handling charactor as well. We've got a few camaro's in our stockers, the track champ is one however the majority of cars are metrics. When our track drys up a bit the camaro's usually are the cars to beat. The metrics can keep up, however its just different as opposed to better.

You also have to be careful with leafs since the weight of a 3300 pound stocker tends to wear them out rather quickly. Most of the camaro guys keep the weight off the springs until the very last minute. I never see a coil car up on a jack because of the same reason.

We cant run the 3rd gen camaros due to the wheelbase, however I hear they are fast where allowed.

    

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