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bizmans
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posted January 17, 2005 11:55 AM  
can anyone tell me if struts are any good for racing on a dirt track it is a 1984 camaro and have been told struts make handling the car very difficult.

redneck racing
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posted January 17, 2005 07:24 PM  
Have never ran struts before but have clipped an 85 camaro and ran coil springs. Eddie

bizmans
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posted January 17, 2005 10:33 PM  
how hard was it to clip it & how did the car run

Mr.Kwik
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posted January 17, 2005 11:06 PM  
First of all redneck, these cars already have coil springs and a lower A arm. I built one of these cars and raced it in 2000. The way I did it which wasn't legal but I got away with it, I drilled the stock struts, drained the oil, cut the strut tubes I cut about 2 to 2 1/2 inches off of the tubes (for clearance/travel) then put a generous amount of anti seize in them and welded them back up. after doing that, while the strut was out of the way. I drilled a hole up through the frame and welded a plate on the top side of the frame (shock mount). You see the lower A arms are the same as the metric cars which have been made to mount a shock to. So the shock bolts to the A arm and goes through the center of the spring and up through the frame and then you tighten the nut down on the top side of the shock and there you have it. (make sure you paint your shock flat black so it will go undetected) the all you have to do is put the strut back up through it's mounting hole on the top and tighten it down, This worked great, I won a few races and was always one of the fastest cars at our track. I dont reccoment running front adjustable spring spacers if you do this because they tend to rub the shock body some and it will rub a hole through it trust me I know. But on the lighter side of things I am building another car for next year (same kind 82-92 camaro/firebird) You see on the last car I cut out all of the fender wells and core support ect. what ever I could cut out I did. We then ran downbars through the firewall around the top of the strut towers, down to the frame and then put in a few more down tubes for support. The car worked great but I think with all of this inner structure gone It flexed too much even though the towers were braced together. This time when building my new car I am leaving as much factory structure as I can, running a couple of tubes through the fire wall and tying into the strut towers. I will run a tower brace but that will be about it. I am going to run a good quality "gas" strut this time and not lower the car at all. These cars are made to work right at their factory ride height. Your advantage to using one of these cars are the the shock (strut) is way farther out than the spring which controls the bound and rebound better than most metrics. Do you homework on the LCA's ,the panhard bar and the 5th or torque arm bar. Expeirament with the mounting point on the front of the torque arm bar. Try some different pinion angles. These cars are wickedly fast but what scares most is the struts, the last car I built ran three years and never bent or broke one of these struts! They are still mounted on the car. I had a friend whom didn't have his wheel clicked in when he drove my car one night, the wheel came off in his hand when exiting three, He had no time to do nothing but run her STRAIGHT into the wall. Now to all of you that think these cars are weak this car was pulled back from the wall loaded on the trailer took home straightened out and I came back the next weekend to win every race that night same struts same hornes ect sorry bout the book mates

[This message has been edited by Mr.Kwik (edited January 18, 2005).]

Elmo
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posted January 21, 2005 10:32 PM  
why not use some donar upper control arm mounts, upper arms, and spindles and just run it like that?

racer s
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posted January 22, 2005 01:54 PM  
I read that with the strut cars there is 0 bumpsteer,is that true?

Mr.Kwik
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posted January 22, 2005 02:16 PM  
elmo, why would you want upper controll arms? Have you ever looked under the hood of a third gen F body? For one it is not "stock" or stock appearing and two if a guy wanted to do that why wouldn't he just stub the car with a metric or older car stub. The thing is that most people want to run these cars in a stock or factory stock class, and in most cases they do not allow a different stub in the car. But what I can tell you that once you figure one of these cars out they are almost untouchable if your setting in a metric or older frame type chassis. Sooner or later the older cars won't be around and right now if your planning on racing in the stock classes for a while you might just think about learning a little before it's time rather than wait and be lapped by those who started messing with these cars in advance.

Elmo
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posted January 22, 2005 04:42 PM  
Mr Kwik, I have the entire suspension from one of these f-bodies on hand. Most tracks won't allow the short wheelbase of this car. This particular chassis is useless in this part of the country, unless of course you want to run a 4cyl mini-stock.

To me, this is a very curious topic. Purestocks are great cars, and have several facits or avenues racers get to choose from. Although,personally I would never recommend cheating to another racer, let alone admit I did. If your going to install shocks through the spring, in direct violation of any purestock rules I have winessed. Why not go ahead and install parts most racers are familiar with?


Mr.Kwik
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posted January 22, 2005 07:03 PM  
Everyone bends the rules a little or looks for the "grey" area's. I think I hurt myself when I did the shock through the spring thing. I learned alot and still have that car, and everyone says they are weak or a throw away. Yes you are correct about the rules not letting these cars run because the 101 inch wheelbase is shorter than most, but a lot of tracks just keep copying their rule books every year enstead of looking at the newer style of cars and revising their rules. Look at it this way, you can pick up a third generation camaro/firebird way cheaper than a second gen camaro! This class started as a low buck class and to me if it's cheaper but faster it's only a win win situation!

outlawstock17
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posted January 23, 2005 07:58 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Kwik:
Everyone bends the rules a little or looks for the "grey" area's. I think I hurt myself when I did the shock through the spring thing. I learned alot and still have that car, and everyone says they are weak or a throw away. Yes you are correct about the rules not letting these cars run because the 101 inch wheelbase is shorter than most, but a lot of tracks just keep copying their rule books every year enstead of looking at the newer style of cars and revising their rules. Look at it this way, you can pick up a third generation camaro/firebird way cheaper than a second gen camaro! This class started as a low buck class and to me if it's cheaper but faster it's only a win win situation!

i've been preaching this to our area promoters for about 4 years now and managed to get a few of them to change their minimum wheelbase to 101". it takes time to convince them that there is a need to find newer chassis' that are "raceable" as the supply of older chassis' dries up. it usually takes more than one guy to be on board for a major rules change and it's hard to get a bunch of "metric" guys to go along with it. if they don't change, sooner or later they will wonder what happened to their car counts...


Mr.Kwik
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posted January 23, 2005 11:08 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by outlawstock17:
i've been preaching this to our area promoters for about 4 years now and managed to get a few of them to change their minimum wheelbase to 101". it takes time to convince them that there is a need to find newer chassis' that are "raceable" as the supply of older chassis' dries up. it usually takes more than one guy to be on board for a major rules change and it's hard to get a bunch of "metric" guys to go along with it. if they don't change, sooner or later they will wonder what happened to their car counts...



I second that!



    

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