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badboy
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 74
posted January 10, 2005 08:30 AM  
has anyone here taken a camaro front stub and put it on a mertic rear stub? if so how hard would this be to do? my rules say no camaros but if i could get the front end all camaro and the rear end all mertic i think that car would fly! any thoughts about this would be a great help!

nailngoracing
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 170
posted January 10, 2005 06:05 PM  
Sounds like a major cheat...

just run a nova...

i think they are the same...

steve smith said they were the same also.

Eljojo
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posted January 10, 2005 06:18 PM  
This has been done and it works very well. Joe Taylor here on the forum may have some input for you. If I were going to make a change it would be to either run the Nova, shorten one of the early Monte Carlos to 103 and hang a metric body, or stub a Camaro front stub to a metric frame at the kick outs.

backwoodsracer
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Total posts: 88
posted January 10, 2005 06:24 PM  
Saw it done once before all the chassis builder did was cut off the metric front clip right behind the lower a-frame mounts and did the same with the comaro clip.They then got everything good and square and welded it together just remember good measurements and squareness are everything or else all you will have is a pile of junk.The car ran pretty well but was not a real rocket ship.You are probably better off improving on what you have or building a nova if unibodys are legal where you race.

redneck racing
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posted January 10, 2005 06:47 PM  
Badboy the man you want to talk to about this is Joe Taylor, he has it down to a T. Eddie

Pickel
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posted January 10, 2005 07:20 PM  
ive got a rear steer nova and would like to put a camaro clip under it is that possible?

Pickel
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posted January 11, 2005 07:44 PM  
you all are too kind
thanks guys
is this something that all will be wanting info on or just a few indivuals bad boy I will be calling you tonight if more people want this info let me know thanks again for the nice remarks every one

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BIGG C
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posted January 13, 2005 07:30 PM  
Joe Taylor, clue us all in. BIGG C

racin78p
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 333
posted January 16, 2005 03:02 AM  
I'm with BIGG C. Please Joe, more info please. I have to put a new stub on my 85' Regal, and have another metric stub to do this, but if the Camaro front is that much better, then I am definately interested in researching it! What say?

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Pickel
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posted January 20, 2005 08:12 PM  
Thanks for the info Pickel. What is you're wheel base at now? Mine is 108" (rules minimum). I do want to keep it at 108".

Hey Joe T!!! You still out there? Have any more info for us "dumb" guys? I am REALLY interested in checking this out before I weld up the new metric sub!!

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dirt_freek
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 29
posted January 21, 2005 07:01 PM  
OK

this will be comlicated but here it goes
first you need to tie the metric frame togetherleft to right right be hind the kick out on the flat bottom of the frame with square tubing so that you can set the bottom of the camero frame on the square tubing to help keep on the same plane this will also help keep the metric frame from spreading when you cut the stub off

then measure the out side of the camero rame then cut the long way on the metric frame so that the camero frame oill slide in between the metric frame rail then tack in place
be for you burn it in place you will want to measure to make it square after you make hundreds of measurements and it is square then you can burn it in to place

If your track does not allow cameros then you will want to masage the metal arround the connection so that it all looks smoth and factory using radious from outher frames if you have done a good job then even a gm mechanic will not be able to tell what has been done

let me know if you have any outher questions I will be happy to answer any questions you may have

joetaylor
AKA dirt freek

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bobaluuu
Dirt Freak

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posted January 21, 2005 09:41 PM  
what year nova or camaro though.

Elmo
Dirt Forum Racer

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posted January 21, 2005 10:15 PM  
The dead givaway on this is the Camaro upper control arms. I was looking at an S-10 frame today. For a stronger front end you could graft the crossmember from your G-body on the S-10s and then clip it with that. It looks alot stronger, and would use the same front end pieces. Now this would'nt make the car handle better persay.
If your after the big car front end, just get a latermodel caprice clip and graft it on at the seam of the side cradle. It's really not that much wider like 3".

dirt_freek
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posted January 22, 2005 01:13 AM  
bobaluuu

best one would be from 71 81 any of them the had a bolt on sub frame that is NOT a strut car Z"s even better but not required as for they were all about different springs and you will be changing and using racing springs

as for using truck parts
I DON'T THINK SO
the s10 is good for spar parts for the metric ft end and this post is for a metric camero if you want we can start anouther post for cobbling s10 parts on the front of a car frame and see how it handles.... the controll arms might be a give away BUT did you ever look at a metric car that has a flexi flyier kit on it sorry if they are allowed then the "metric camero" will pass as well

the only controll arm that is a bad give away would be stock metric uppers they are distintively weak and can be spotted a mile away but most tec guys will be looking for after market parts

this post is for a better handling car. I don't think that a caprice would handle better than a camero on the track or the street

let me know if yall have any outher questions I will be happy to help

[This message has been edited by dirt_freek (edited January 22, 2005).]

Pickel
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posted January 22, 2005 08:37 PM  
that is what i am talking about when i finished my car and scaled it we were @ 2300 with no balest then we got our numbers and the car is real hard to beat in the corners I set mine up for the high side and can pull the LF comming off the corner all the way down the stright and i am using a 360
our tec guy can't believe it I have been torn down several times and nothing illeagle the car is just bad fast

any one that builds a car like this will do good if it set up correctly

just a note if using a camero front end I highly recomend using a 62" rear end that will make the front end work even better

Elmo
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 79
posted January 22, 2005 11:09 PM  
I agree to dissagree DirtFreak. It has been stated more than once by an accomplished builder on this very site that latemodel Caprice is one of the very best handling front suspension packages available out of the box, period. My recommendation for big car handling was a much easier re-clip than grafting a Camaro clip where there was not a factory seam to begin with. I have done both. I would also add that the Caprice components are far more available. Regardless, there are metric cars using all oem parts whipping up on Camaro's and Caprice's all over the country.

dirt_freek
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 29
posted January 23, 2005 07:42 PM  
elmo


WHAT EVER

I posted for those who wanted to use the camero clip I have not seen any one ask for any advice about a capriece in this paticular post I will not get into an argument about this if you want bring your caprice up to MI and we will race this a combination that I foud that works and they are beating up on about every thing yes some of them have bad days but not very often

I will even give you lodging when you get here and cover you fuel and entry fee for the car

If any one else have any outher quesions PLEASE pm me and I will be happy to help you as for I am done posting on this paticular post

racin78p
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 333
posted January 28, 2005 12:05 AM  
Okay guys.

dirt_freak, thanks for replying to our requests. One other question. What if I changed the stock metric spindles to impala spindles instead of putting a camaro front on; do you have any info on that? I understand the camaro clip is wider than stock metric, but finding one right now is getting difficult, plus time is getting short. I gotta get the car done soon. I am looking for better control in, through and out of the corners. As the car ran last season, it was pretty good, but getting a lower front roll center (and suppossedly near zero bump) by switching to impala spindles seemed to be the way to go until this post topic came up. Any info?

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racin78p
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