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juni
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posted December 27, 2004 07:58 PM  
Had a friend who went to a swap meet in Iowa he said a guy had a saginaw trans on display It had the front drive gear machined off the cluster gear and used second gear as the drive gear for the cluster gear . When the trans is in third the cluster does not turn , so the only thing turning is the main shaft you shift it into second gear and it is in neutral, shift it into 1st and reverse and they work normal . any one ever seen this done? If so how is he connecting and disconnecting the maishaft?in side the front slider

2quickfu
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posted December 28, 2004 11:12 AM  
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Originally posted by juni:
Had a friend who went to a swap meet in Iowa he said a guy had a saginaw trans on display It had the front drive gear machined off the cluster gear and used second gear as the drive gear for the cluster gear . When the trans is in third the cluster does not turn , so the only thing turning is the main shaft you shift it into second gear and it is in neutral, shift it into 1st and reverse and they work normal . any one ever seen this done? If so how is he connecting and disconnecting the maishaft?in side the front slider
Did you by any chance get a # or a name I would like to look into this . Iam going to ask my trans man about this . Never heard of this happening

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CA Dirt guy
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posted December 28, 2004 12:25 PM  
Go to mrracingequipment.com
They seem to specialize in these but I can't imagine them being the only ones.

Eric

WesternAuto17
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posted December 28, 2004 01:39 PM  
I saw this guy in Illinois. Everything he said made sense, but he also siad that his trans alone would make a mid pack car a winner. Making claims like that kinda shot his credibilty down for me a bit.

superdave
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posted December 28, 2004 02:54 PM  
Here's a link to an old thread that ends with a phone number to call. THis place is about an hour from my house. Very popular around here. lIfetime gaurentee on internal parts. Nothing is done to the case so if you bust a case you can just move the parts into the new stock case.
http://www.thedirtforum.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/002132.html

Good luck,
Superdave

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Istock66
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posted December 28, 2004 06:35 PM           send a private message to superdave   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
dale 913 845 3001

I got his number from superdave last year, my trans from him works great.. No pumps like a pglide to rob hp

CrazyT
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posted December 29, 2004 05:18 PM  
So does it make a mid pack car a winner? Is it a noticeable difference?

bobaluuu
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posted December 29, 2004 05:36 PM  
sounds like a smoke blower to me, dont you think everyone of us would be runnin one if that was true for 600 bucks.

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superdave
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posted December 29, 2004 09:17 PM  
Nothing makes you jump from mediocre to winner overnight of course. In high gear you can spin the input shaft between your fingers with ease. It's just easy free horsepower that works with every engine you have. I just liked it because guys who had clutches could get the same low drag advantage of the other direct drive trannies for half the money and still use your clutch.

Not IMCA Hobby legal though.

Good luck,
Superdave

Istock66
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posted December 30, 2004 04:42 PM           send a private message to superdave   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
Super Dave..

its supperior to a pglide.

a pglide has a pump inside that must be turned tci says no matter what you do your losing some hp with a glide.

a glide has clutches also I believe they are 5-6 in diameter.

Mikey14
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posted December 31, 2004 12:02 AM  
we ran a tongie special on a dyno against a regualr saginaw....all hype removed, its worth it. Imagine just the imput and output shaft rotating in your tranny. How much rotating weight would that save you?

Just my 2 cents.

superdave
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posted January 01, 2005 12:01 AM  
I was never talking about a powerglide. I was talking about the direct drive Saginaw. I think the TCI guy said it takes 11 HP to turn their direct drive powerglide.

Good luck,
Superdave

21racer
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posted January 01, 2005 11:43 PM  
i have seen the trans you are talking about i build big truck 10,13,15,and18 speeds for a living and i take 1st gear out of my trans for racing ilooked this trans over good to understand it works like a burt,brinn or falcon trans the lower shaft dont turn when in high gear with the lower shaft machined down which saves drag of 1st 2nd and reverse turning and churning up oil with them you must put the trans in 2nd gear to turn the lower shaft to use 1st and reverse i hope this helps you understand how it works

stockcar
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posted January 02, 2005 07:56 PM  
I was one of the guys who had a saginaw transmission on display down in Iowa. I now also build 3 speed hobby legal transmissions that have the same disengaging lower cluster gear. Juni, I sent you a private email - all others please private email me for additional information.

superdave
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posted January 02, 2005 08:25 PM  
That still would not be IMCA legal if it's altered from OEM.

Good luck,
Superdave

stockcar
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posted January 02, 2005 08:51 PM  
I'm sorry - I need to clarify that I wasn't specifically referring to IMCA legal. Please excuse a newbie.

Xtreme12x
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posted January 03, 2005 08:16 AM  
Anything is legal in IMCA since they don't do any teching...
stockcar where are you from?

racin78p
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posted January 03, 2005 09:29 AM  
So true "extreme", so true. I just had to add, that I am sold on running one of these mod saginaws. A mod buddy of mine ran one of these 'trick' 3 speeds a few years back before going to a bert, and he has two of them on his shelves. He needs his truck re-painted, and I have a deal for him,... (I paint for a livin').

As a note to all: the MOD racer I am referring to who ran this type of saginaw (from the man in Tongie, ks.) had good things to say about them, and not much bad. Never had a problem with. The weight difference, the direct drive in third,ect. were worth the money for him. Keep in mind that this was a cheap alternative to a bert, brinn ect., when the class rules around here changed to allow such. He has the sponsors now that he doesn't look back. Must be nice!

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Racer98
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posted January 04, 2005 07:55 AM  
super dave, You dont think Tci or bushore alters there powerglide trannys???? Yet there are imca legal, I had a talk with imca about this, theres no way of controlling this, and its the same way if you do stuff to a saginaw.

Istock66
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posted January 04, 2005 04:30 PM           send a private message to Racer98   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
bushore and tci give a whopping 500 bucks each I believe to IMCAs worthless national chumpionship winners..

nobody who builds saginaws is paying peanuts to IMCA so they would surely be illegal if they started becoming the norm.

    

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