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Author Topic:   setup versus HP/torque
hoosier transplant
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 104
posted December 19, 2004 10:38 AM  
I'm curious as to everyone's opinion of whats really more important regarding setup and HP. We all like gobs of HP, but if a driver runs on a 3/8 or smaller track what is more important for a driver to be working on during the off season? I am new to dirt tracks(only started midway thru last season) and have a modest engine(480 HP). Granted I am trying to learn dirt track setups, but I've watched other driver that have ran for several years, and quite honestly what I see is a improvement in handling needed, but the first thing they say is "I need a better motor." If you were racing on much larger tracks, I would agree that a bigger motor would help. On the small tracks, what I see, is most can't get all the HP that they now have, down to the track. I've been trying to figure out what I really need to do as far as getting my car hooked up, rather than even thinking about what I can do to improve my motor. I beleive it is easier to build a monster motor(building it to stay together is the hard part) than to correct/improve your existing setup. Would like to hear other's opinions so I know if I'm going in the correct direction. Thanks, Donavon.

Eljojo
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 968
posted December 19, 2004 12:09 PM  
I am with you on the set up question. I have been fortunate enough to wil a couple features this last year, and I promise you that I have not got the motor that most of the competition has. One of the tracks I race at has a simple stratagy--stay out of trouble until the 12th lap and you will probably have a respectable finish. The other "home" track is a 4/10ths that is very fast (16.90's qualifying) and if you aren't handeling you either won't finish or you won't finish well. When I visit other tracks I have to rely on my chassis knowledge more than anything else, as 90% of the time I have brought a "knife to a gunfight." What really makes me feel great is to be the "new guy" at a track and hear "you cheated us" when I leave!
Honest injun-99% of the guys who run street stocks think that bump steer is a way to pass a competitor....
Work on your chassis and you will enjoy your racing ten times as much.

lovin dirt
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted December 19, 2004 06:37 PM  
there is a guy at our local track who used to drive, but due to back problems, he owns the car but a friend drives for him. he told me he had the engine dynoed @ 435 hp. the car won 11 races and finished 2nd 4 times(with two different drivers.) watching the car from the stands ,it had a difference stance or attitude ,if you call it that. i believe the setup had a lot to do with it.
ps what combo does it take to get 480 hp? i am going to start building my engine for next year(this will be my first year running.) thanks... mike.

lovin dirt
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted December 19, 2004 06:38 PM  
oh yeah, i forgot its a 1/3 mile semi banked oval.

hughes
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 194
posted December 20, 2004 06:49 AM  
What do you need more motor for, If you can't hook up the motor that got now.

Donnie Ross
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 264
posted December 23, 2004 04:37 AM  
last year I decided that smaller might be better, so I took the roller out of my 406 and put in a smaller solid cam that I figured would pull good off the corners but cut about 75 horse power out, result was the car was much easier to drive for me and faster, best way to describe it was the roller was like a light switch not as smooth power delivery wise. get the chassis right first, is what I'm saying, hope this helps.

hoosier transplant
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 104
posted December 23, 2004 05:49 PM  
I wasn't really thinking about a bigger motor, the question I had was because I have several friends that have suggested going bigger. And Donnie, a friend runs at the same track I do and last year he popped his main motor and put in a 327 motor. It's the best I've ever seen him run, got second but was catching first place after coming from middle pack but ran out of laps. I don't think he realized how well he was running because the next week got his 355 done and back in the car. And I still don't think he was as competitive as he was with the "little 327". I always have thought that for street stock, super stocks, and even super trucks that going big motor on the small tracks is a waste of horsepower with the suspension that they are allowed to run. A person just can't get the HP to the ground with the restrictions they must run under.

    

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