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Author Topic:   Ford vs. Chevy, the debate roars on
0LT
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 38
posted December 04, 2004 05:48 PM  
I would hope my subject title caught your attention, but I guess I will disapoint a few people with my post. This advice request goes out to those of you racing Fords these days. First a little background. I have raced Chevy powered race cars for 11 years and have been happy with all of them. From enduro cars to what I have today I have never had reason to complain. Nor am I know, but I have before me a new situation that has me questioning what the future could hold. We have a local class that is called Super Trucks, a fiberglass truck body on a GM Metric chassis. Weight jacks, offset cages, motor setback, etc are all legal but we do have to use a stock GM 4 link unmolested rear suspension. Last year I jumped into a truck half way through the season after selling my street stock. We won two races, one on dirt and the other on a 1/2 mile paved oval (that was different...). Anyway, back to my point. The chevy motor that was in this truck was suprisingly powerful for the lack of racing parts (stock everything). Recently the Super Truck rules assocation voted in a 52lb minimum for chevy cranks and you have to use GM numbered cast iron heads (no aftermarkets). They either forgot or convientely ignored the Ford engine altogether, which leaves an interesting loophole in the rules. Fords ARE allowed to utilize the World Products Roush 200 heads, and have no rule on minumum crank weight. All motors have a 9.5 to 1 compression limit. So here is the plan, and again I hope to get a few Ford gurus to throw in thier 2 cents. 302 based 347 stroker using the Eagle rotating assembly that has a cast crank and SIR rods, SRP dished pistons, Roush 200 heads with 1.437 spring, Cam un-chosen at this point but it will be a solid, torker II edelbrock intake (per the rules), holley 4779 750 with choke horn milled off, 1.6 roller rockers with stud girdles, 1" wilson tapered spacer (very cool, by the way) with a 3 speed cast iron trans and crank spud (no clutch). RPM range will be about 3000-7000. We run primarily on a mid-banked 5/16 dirt oval, but will see a 3/8 flat track, 1/4 mile bullring, and a 7/16 paved track this year. Do you think this combo will run with similarly equiped chevys (358's)? I see issues with possibly needing a bit more gear (spin it up!), but 100lbs off the front of the truck would make a huge difference in the rear percentages. Opinions?
Thanks,
LT

joetaylor
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posted December 04, 2004 06:46 PM  
ORANGE BLOD HERE BUT THE 347 PROPERLY GEARED WELL EAT UP A 358 CHEVY BUT EXPERENCE I HAVE RUN BOTH FOR CLAMING REASIONS LOL. BUT IF YOUI CAN RUN ALL THE GOODPARTS THEN i WOULD DO IT AND MAKE THE CHEVY GUYS CRY MY SELF INCLUDED THE TRUCK CLASS IS STARTING TO TAKE OFF UP HERE TOO BUT THEY ARE RUNNING A LIMETED LATE MODEL CHASSIS AND STOCK FT CLIP LOT OF CHEVYS MOST FORDS UP DON'T HAVE DEAP ENOUGH POCKETS TO BEAT THE CHEVYS I HOPE THIS WILL ADD TO YOUR ALREADY MADE UP MIND

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR ENDEAVER W/THE FORD

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outlawstock17
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posted December 04, 2004 08:37 PM  
joe, it doesn't take deep pockets to run up front in a ford. most guys running fords are either up front or out to lunch. the ones up front know their stuff. the ones out to lunch are chevrolet guys with the wrong engine.

OLT, if you have to ask that question, you should stick with your chevrolet engine because you don't know your "ford stuff" and you can't learn it from a guy on a keyboard. us ford guys don't have the patience to do that much typing...

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joetaylor
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posted December 04, 2004 10:07 PM  
at our track we have 25 ford cars and they all finish in the back of the pack or not at all I don't want a war but you can build a winning engine for r track real cheep and quite a bit of money to get a ford up to the front, or they can get luckey and have a rookie take out all the chevys in one krash so a ford can win

shifter
Dirt Roller

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posted December 04, 2004 10:25 PM  
I agree with what he said.

outlawstock17
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posted December 05, 2004 12:10 AM  
if that's the case, those 25 guys don't know what they're doing. ask any ford guy that does and he'll tell you the same.

ford5
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posted December 05, 2004 04:57 AM  
what outlawstock17 said........


some of them chevy guys are glad we don't race at their track....lol
anytime you want proof...just come on down

Steve Dupree
Dirt Freak

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posted December 05, 2004 06:41 AM  

 
sick um ford5 and outlaw. There is no chevy that can put out the horse power or reliability of a ford $ for $ You can build a hot chevy and if you dont put in heavy duty rods it wont stay together plus it has to turn 7000 rpm to keep up with a ford turning 6000 rpm. A ford 351W is a great motor and no need to put no afetr market rods to keep it together and it will turn 6400 rpm all day with no problems. Keep up the good work ford guys.

juni
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 184
posted December 05, 2004 12:52 PM  
We have a lone racer at our track that runs a ford ltd his first car weight was around 4100 lbs ran it two years. Then built a new one it was around 3800 . We race a chevy our car weight is around 3650 with 58 % rear we race a 383 stock crank and rods ( 4 years old turn it 58 to 5900 rpms )He can run up front but only when he starts there and can not hold us off . He has ran a 302 and a 351 both he trys to pull a deep gear to make it faster and it don't work out He is now looking at building a stroker to try and keep up . I hope he can win but it is always gonna be cheeper to build a chevy motor because there are so many venders building parts price a stroker kit for a 347 the a 383 chevy. stove bolt parts are cheeper

joetaylor
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posted December 05, 2004 05:09 PM  
CHEVYS

getter dunnn

jammin
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posted December 05, 2004 07:12 PM  
you are right I did say that I will drop it and not visit this particular post b/c I will get carried away thanks for the reminder jammin stay cool

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akadirtracer7
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posted December 06, 2004 06:46 AM  
Like outlaw said theres alot of us that run fords and do good.Outlaw finished 2nd in points at his track. Far as I see it it took 39 gm cars so one could beat that FORD.Lets not forget about all the tracks across this country that have those same guys running in the back of the pack ,somebody has to be there and it don't matter what they brand they drive.Super stock champ at the track I run at ford powered 3 years straight 2 in the class the other run top 4 every year.I ran my 347 in a limited late model against 400 + c.i. GM motors and beat alot of them even got a 2nd place one night in the A. I finished about 2 car lenghts behind a chevy motor costing 10,000+ with my cheap cast crank 347 at about $ 2,500.00 will see what the cheap $ 2,500 408 will do this year.I'D be willing to bet I will beat this dude with his 10 grand motor this year.I also am using alot older chassis.

Steve Dupree
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Total posts: 316
posted December 06, 2004 06:04 PM  
Yeppers i agree fords cant be beat with dependabilty but the weight usually gets us. well we ran 6th in Elpaso and 9th in Las cruces and this next year they are in trouble in what we learned. We love the debate between chevy and ford lovers i am one of two fords at are track or tracks and they are in trouble next year. Yeppers lol Steve Dupree

racin78p
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Total posts: 333
posted December 07, 2004 03:33 AM  
Ford or Chevy, Chevy or Ford. Just like my drag racing days moons ago (YES I DID IT!!! I ADMIT IT!!!) the debate rumbles on. Where I race (DIRT) we have had two T. Birds run this year, belonging to two different teams and drivers. One group didn't have a clue. Nice guys, but,... the next guys came out late in the year, and if memory serves me correctly the guys first race he got a fifth. I was ****ed. Glad for him, ****ed at me. Although he didn't win this year, every time the second Bird ran it was flying. My partner knows the guy and he has close to zilch in it. He just has the knack. Lucky *******.

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rico 08
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posted December 07, 2004 07:31 AM  
Ok..isn't the aftermarket head break for the fords just to allow the heads to all flow roughly-closer to the same?Another post by outlaw was on the best flowing stock heads...the best stock ford head was the gt40p at 196 @.500 on the intake(for comparison) a stock vortec will flow about 225 @ .500..at least that's the numbers i found.Tear me up if u like!..i'm just trying to compare apples to oranges.....how much will the world roush heads flow?

outlawstock17
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posted December 07, 2004 01:42 PM  
rico, you're on the right track. i'm sure that's exactly why they would allow an aftermarket head for the ford engine.

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way2fast72
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posted December 07, 2004 02:06 PM  
Im a chevy fan,but I have to admit to watching a Ford win the 10,000$$$$ to win street stock race in Enid Okla this yr.Some of them are fast and some are slow,but GM products are the same way.I think a intelligent individual can make either a winner.

outlawstock17
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posted December 08, 2004 12:22 PM  
nevermind...

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dirt_freek
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 15, 2004 07:57 PM  
who cares what brand of car you race as long as you are racing I have passed them both so I guess it don;t matter what you race which ever one that you think will give you a leg up onthe compition

good luck with your choice see you on the track

dirt_freek

    

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