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Steve Dupree
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posted November 25, 2004 03:26 PM  
Hey iam looking for someone or several comments on what is a great set up for a ford torino. We have reskinned car and have it on the scales now playing with it. We understand alot about set up just want to know what is the awsome set up weight on the wheels and cross weight for bite,control,and speed. We have all carra shocks.1186 RF,1000 LF 200 LR 176 RR thats all the spring rates on the car. Total weight with driver is 3440 lf 976 lr 844 rf 909 rr 719 we have all the percentages but you can figure them without taking up room here. We run a 351w very nice motor and is hot as can be We run two tracks but mainly just one. It is a 3/8 mile with like 18% banking in the corners. The car handled great and easy to drive just wondering if there was anymore i can do. Thank you so much for any help If we can talk you can call us at 505-544-5474 thanks Steve Dupree

akadirtracer7
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posted November 26, 2004 10:32 AM  
thats close to what I was running with a 77ltd II I ran a 347 so I was a little lighter up front than you .This worked good for me.Thers all kinds of things you can do but what are your rules as far as chassis and motor??????????????

Steve Dupree
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posted November 26, 2004 04:31 PM  
Thanks for reply well as far as chassis we must have a 108 inch wheel base. The torinos have i think a 114 or 116. We have to keep all stock arms and cannot move them. I could shorten car or move motor back but this car has rear steering so it has a front sump oilpan so cant go much with motor with out notching cross member. We can add all the weight we want but we must weigh 3000 with driver so we compete with alot of chevy,s around 3100 and some are real fast. Not because of motor but because of weight do to HP. We have like 75 chevy,s and there are only 2 fords including me so no much help with ford here. Steve

rickb33
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Total posts: 99
posted November 26, 2004 11:05 PM  
my torino is almost the same set up,but I prefer it to have as much weight in the rear as possible.i've got around 200 lbs placed in the rear, and my springs are a lot heavier,and it runs like a rocket.my rears are 275lr,250rr.it works really good on a dry track, althought a bit tight on a tacky track,but still very much drivable.what cam are you running,ford motors are weird when it comes to valve timing.

Steve Dupree
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posted November 27, 2004 07:15 AM  
hey rick thanks for response. Well last year we were running a 517 517 by 280 280 with 106 lobe centers. We came accross this this company that really knows his stuff he fixed us a very nice cam and explained to us what he was doing the knew cam is this duration at .050 244 in. 240 exc. lift 353 in. 347 exc. lobe seperation 104 in. and 116 exc. With 1.6 rockers we end up with a 565 in. 555 exc. by 297 in. 293 exc. cant wait to try this cam. we are allowed any stock carb that was made for motor or a 350cfm holley not allowed a 4412 but i tried one the last part of year and it was really a big help but the motor still just went to a certain rpm and stopped. We have a big 500cfm motorcrft we found and would like any help you know about making it better already smoothed inside and jetted it but i know theres a few other secrets out there about those carbs. Are car can be real sensitive do to track conditions we have run as much as a three inch difference in the rear and i mean roll out to loosen the car up right know or last year with a dry slick we could run staight up but usually ran about 3/4 inch stagger RF.20 RR.18 LF.14 LR 16 air preasure.Well dont want to take up to much room here if you have anymore help feel free to email. geminikid1@yahoo.com Steve Dupree

Steve Dupree
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posted November 27, 2004 09:14 AM  

 
this is a pic of knew car this year will post more when we get are lettering on.

Steve Dupree
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posted November 27, 2004 09:30 AM  

 
This is a pic of last years car We took most of are pics to big to upload was going to share a few with the model........... sorry guys lol

beachracing
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posted November 27, 2004 11:43 AM  
That's way too much lift, and duration for a heavy car. You need to find something with around 236@ .50, with about .540 lift.At 3440, you need something thats going to pull it out of the turns,that's the biggest problem with a heavy car. That cam is made for a much lighter car, you would need to get rid of about 300 more pounds for that cam to truly be effective.hope this helps any.

beachracing
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posted November 27, 2004 11:48 AM  
Don't take my word for it, but you need to have as much torque as possible with that monster. Check your coil bind when it's at full lift,you should have at least .060. If not, you will need longer valves,and springs.

rickb33
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posted November 27, 2004 12:08 PM  
he's right about the duration,the more duration the further up in the rpm range the cam works.my car weighs about the same, and my cam is at around 234 @. 50, and the lift is .536 gross lift.it will take longer for your motor to reach it's peak torque with that cam.

Steve Dupree
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posted November 27, 2004 04:26 PM  
Thanks guys we are also running the lifters he wants with this cam They are comp cam lifters and there alot like roads lifters.. This is suppose to get it out of corners and still be great on top. We are running a 650 gear so have plenty of gear dont you think. He told us on there test cars that this cam with these lifters will put the same torque at 2000 rpms as it had at 4400 rpms. Just because of lifters and lobe seperation. Let me know your feelings please. Steve Dupree PS We are running C90E heads ported very nice with 1.94 and 1.60 valves With a matching intake from that year. We found the intake and carb. on ebay didnt get to run them yet. They have several tast cars and dyno and the people that i have talked to as far as cam and such say just try it. I guess we have to try it we know we didnt have enough last year really unless track was perfect for us then the car was a beast. Thanks guys please keep writing i love to come up with my version lol Steve Dupree

akadirtracer7
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posted November 30, 2004 06:14 PM  
Hey steve you can shorten it real easily.Cut down the weld where the rear clip is welded to the side frame rail. Cut alittle off the side rail then slide the rear clip back on the side rails until you have the wheelbase you want.Then check it to see if its square and weld it back together.If you want to set the motor back you can get a pan made with the sump moved forward.I have 2 for a 347 .Call Kevko racing oil pans and he will make 1 for you .under 2 bills for the pan and pickup.I set it back til the oil filter was about 1/2 " from the crossmember or so you can get the filter off. Kevko 1-800-770-3557

hoosier transplant
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posted December 01, 2004 04:50 PM  
AKA, I'm glad you brought up about moving rear end of car. I've been thinking about that since Dupree mentioned his problem with rear steering arms. I thought, why not change wheel base at rear of car. Actually, I think by moving rear end in a person prombably would gain more rear weight, not sure.

Steve Dupree
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posted December 01, 2004 05:52 PM  
Thanks AKA i will give you a call in a couple of days on doing that. Hey donnavan glad to see you are still alive and thanks for showing and telling me about this very nice site. Thanks guys and welcome all input. Steve Dupree

Busch
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 01, 2004 06:36 PM  
Earlier you said that you had an RPM problem with 500cfm carb. What kind of ignition are you using?

Steve Dupree
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posted December 02, 2004 09:07 AM  
Hi thanks for the post. Well really the problem was with a smaller carb. We tried a holley 4412 and seemed to help alot but it would float the valves at are elpaso track which is a little bigger than the one we nomally run. It was floating at around 6000 to 6200. We took a good luck at the heads and found that the guy that helped us set up the heads didnt have a proper spring height or spring preasure on the valves. Iam really surprized we didnt drop a valve he put normal shims and the inner spring was eating away and breaking the inner springs[IMG] http://www.thedirtforum.com/ubb/smilies/cwm10.gif[/IMG] But iam still interested in help with a ford 500 cfm carb. if you know any tricks. We cannot run a 4412 leagally. Thanks Steve Dupree

Steve Dupree
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posted December 02, 2004 09:23 AM  
lol i guess i didnt answer ? we run a mallory elctronic its a three wire distributor and we cannot run a hot box. This distribitor has three wires and was told how to wire it but not sure if its correct. The tack jumps like 500 rpms or so at like 2000 rpms no matter what tack we use. It is grounded well It has a green wire that goes to tack and a red wire that goes to power and then a brown wire he told me just dont worry about. It is also mech. advanced not vacumn. the coil is just a accell super coil.

    

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