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Author Topic:   i don't call it cheating, it's creative engineering
streetstockking
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted October 27, 2004 07:56 PM  
i know that alot of you probably look down on guys who cheat but i need a little help. i came in 12th in points this year and i'm wanting to do better. the engine is a 406. im looking for ways to increase power fairly cheap and not noticible if my car gets checked. this is only my second year racing so the only thing i've really picked up on is shaving down the heads for higher comp. if anyone could tell me some more tricks i'd appreciate it.

Edog1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 24
posted October 27, 2004 09:53 PM  
If you let us know your track rules are and what the tech guys inspect maybe someone can help you out.

FlyNLoIMCA17
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 753
posted October 28, 2004 01:02 AM  
zero deck the block for starters. Yeah, post your rules and we'll see how we can "adjust" them.

crew42tx
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 53
posted October 28, 2004 08:15 AM  
If you are looking to finish higher in points you dont necesarily need to look at motor. How many races did you not finish? Look at what you can do to keep that from happening. If you are going for a championship settle for second or third instead of taking the chance of not finishing at all. The year we won our championship we only won two races, but we only had one night out of the top five. Fast wins races, consistency wins championships. Since our championship year we have won a lot more races each year but we have had more dnf's. I'm not trying to say that you don't know how to drive but if it only your second year the experience of the others in your class is going to be the bigest obstacle to overcome. More power to you on getting more power, lol becouse it will help as long as you dont sacrifice durability.

GOOD LUCK TO YA!

eborcim
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 303
posted October 28, 2004 12:01 PM  
I know where you are coming from as I just finished my second year too. Last year we finished second in points and this year third. I've learned a lot and have much more education on the way I'm sure. The car setup was really off sometimes, which contributed to why we never won a race. But that is how you learn. We also were down on HP from the front runners (all 383 or better). We ran a good 355 that was dependable just not as powerful. But we did start and had a placing in every point race last year. This year I missed the first feature because of a bad starter (my fault for not replacing it). Yes, I am stepping up to a bigger engine this year, but I also know more about setups and how to drive.

Increasing your HP? First make sure you can plant it, then increase the compression increase the cam. Good Luck!!!

streetstockking
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted October 28, 2004 12:59 PM  
i can't really tell u all the rules because my track's web site says that they're making the "new" rules for the 2005 racing season. im pretty sure that they'll keep the 3000lb weight limit and the 2 barrel carb rule though. sry i can't give you guys more but give me some ideas and i'll ask a tech that i know if they're gonna be legal or not.

streetstockking
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted October 28, 2004 01:01 PM  
FlyNLoIMCA17, what do you mean by "zero deck the block" sorry, but im still pretty new at this.

crew42tx
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 53
posted October 28, 2004 01:36 PM  
That means decking the block to where the pistons are even with the top of the cylinder.

streetstockking
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted October 28, 2004 02:01 PM  
i just talked to a tech and he said that they'll allow 3500lbs. if i keep the 406

chomme
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 300
posted October 28, 2004 02:08 PM  
i really like the 406 though. i've gotten it bored out, speed pro pistons, and had the heads shaved. i was also out running 355's last year. it's a $500 claimer engine too, so if this one gets claimed im thinkin about a 383. good idea?

18 Racing
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted October 28, 2004 04:01 PM  
how much were you out runing 355 by rember you are ading 500 pounds

streetstockking
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted October 28, 2004 05:14 PM  
i was really pulling on them on the corners but not so much on the straights

Blind Barney @ Work
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted October 28, 2004 06:49 PM  
do they evr do compression tests? Is tehre a rule?

streetstockking
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted October 28, 2004 08:29 PM  
they don't do comp. tests. that's why i shaved the heads and put some high comp. pistons in.

econo2a
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 104
posted October 28, 2004 09:12 PM  
port and polish the heads the only way they would find out is if u pull the intake off

redneck racing
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posted October 30, 2004 04:57 AM  
I dont call it cheating I call it CREATIVELY INTERPRITING the RULES. Rules fall into a GREY area if it dont say it dont mean you cant do, the techs are the ones who have the last say. I break down each section of rules and then interprit them, im sure evey driver out there does it. Eddie

t_train75
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 50
posted November 03, 2004 09:23 AM  
watch out with the porting and polishing our tech. man uses a bore scope to check that stuff out all you need to pull is the carb and down the runner it goes works very well for him.

redneck racing
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posted November 05, 2004 12:51 AM  
We pulled the seal off the engine and put ported and polished heads on it, the tech even inspected the seal and ok'd it funny thing. Eddie

[This message has been edited by redneck racing (edited November 05, 2004).]

The Vanburen Rocket 22
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 22, 2004 08:43 PM  
you mean you guys actually read the rules,i thought they where just pieces of paper telling us the guide lines they would like for us to follow,so we can interprit them how we like then cover up our work in the grey areas so as it looks like we did what they recomended! LOL!!!! JUST KIDDING Do what you have to,because the other guys are.Thats the way any level of racing has been from slot cars up to nascar from the beginning of time,I am sure it will continue to be that way right or wrong.

backofpack
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 102
posted November 23, 2004 08:05 AM  
how do you beat a puffer p&g machine

juliaferrell
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 370
posted November 23, 2004 01:33 PM  
Do they puff the same cylinder all the time? I've seen cranks made with number one 3.48 and the other 7 at 3.875 or 4 inch. Or on compression rules be 9:1 or so on number 1 and 17:1 on the rest. Just Smokey Yunicks compression tuning techniques. HAHA

backofpack
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 102
posted November 23, 2004 04:11 PM  
they havent bought it yet but they are talking we were just fixxing to step up to the plate next year with a 383 we havent built it yet just wanted to know if there was away there is alot of them at our track that aint legal so when in rome do as the romans do so far were still legal well just have to see what they do

    

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