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powerglides
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 374
posted October 07, 2004 06:31 AM  
OK! Who has them and what do you think? I'm talking about the Gm crates.

juni
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 184
posted October 07, 2004 07:17 AM  
Our track is trying to push for them in two classes B- mods and our hobby stocks they have offered to alow the b-mods to use them and run a 4 bbl carb against 2bbl cars with almost open rules . and they cannot be claimed also . In our hobby class they cannot be claimed . The track bought one and put in a mod two years ago and it was not able to run with the other cars except when he started on the front row and the track was dry slick . I feel that it takes away from the sport because part of racing to me was who built the faster motor and hooks it up and who can drive and who is lucky .The track says they are trying to control cost and make the field more even .Thats why we have a claim rule let the racer do that themselfs .Thats my input for whats its worth. juni

iowatoolman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 369
posted October 07, 2004 07:52 AM  
every new rule has it's good points and it's bad ones

sounds like it cuts costs but it sounds like it would take the fun out of the sport unless your one of those guys that don't know anything about cars and has enough money to buy everything done so you can go play

just a thought

and their all made outta ticky tacky and they all look just the same

drive hard or drive home

WesternAuto17
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 569
posted October 07, 2004 10:37 AM  
Spending $5000 on a motor for a street stock just isn't my idea of fun.

I wish more tracks would use the GM crate motors.

Speedway65
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 344
posted October 07, 2004 11:11 AM  
Our motor cost $6200.00 cdn funds.But that was with starting out fresh with nothing supplied from us.It included alum. 4bbl intake and a custom reworked 4412.Builder supplied block,crank,heads and so on.We have some pavement tracks that have been using crates for the last 2 yrs.Still the same guy winning as before but now with a crate!Merritville Speedway in Ontario Canada is switching their DIRT Sportsman to crate motors starting in 2005.Cost up here in Canada for the entry level crate motor is $4200.00 Cnd funds.

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te33
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 237
posted October 07, 2004 01:31 PM  
they are giving them a big weight break(300) here.no mate.just oil,filters and plugs.cheap,fast reliable.thinking very hard about buying one,the 602.i have watched a guy at osp in savanah whip but for 2 seasons on the same untouched motor.hard to say no.you have to leave the claim in place,$3550,keeps the fellows from EVEN thinking about messing with them.if i'm running a crate,and i get hammered down the chutes by another crate,he can kiss it good-by.it will be mine in the blink of an eye!

redneck racing
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 860
posted October 09, 2004 01:41 AM  
Have the GM crates out here at the local track in SLC. They put them in the modifieds and I think it makes for some good racing and you dont see the same guy winning all the time, everyone is on an even playing feild. Eddie

eenfield
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 116
posted October 10, 2004 09:05 AM  
I think it would be a good idea to put GM crate engines in hobby stocks and a few other lower classes. Eliminate the claim for those who run the factory preped crates. You cant mess with them too much because they have twist off bolt heads. If you remove them and re-install the bolt it simply breaks. It would be harder to cheat, or creativly work around the rules. GM offers three such engines for different classes. While Im sure that buying one of these engines from a dealer would represent a significant investment and someone is bound to be able to do it cheaper these engines will last. It allow the drivers and crew to concentrate on making the car faster in other ways. JMO

superdave
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 280
posted October 10, 2004 06:08 PM  
If you run the crates then have a simple claim/swap rule. $50 and swap. The engines would be so similar that swapping shouldn't be an issue. No claim/swap at all invites cheating where a small advatage can be a big difference.

Good luck,
Superdave

ntoospeed
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted October 10, 2004 10:15 PM  
the nascar factory stock track champion at lake side speedway for the second year in a row has run the gm create , yes they are about 3000 To 3500 but mind you none i have at least that much in mine, this track had 90 plus factory stocks on register & about 50 plus every week

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merc123
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 28
posted October 13, 2004 07:09 PM  
They're trying to start one around where I'm at. The rules aren't really clearly defined yet though so we wound up losing a $5,000 race because of it. From what I can tell it pits driver against driver. The engines are virtually the same so it all boils down to driver skill.

jay116
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 428
posted October 13, 2004 09:10 PM  
I know alot people hate the idea of crate motors. But the bomber division at my track has gotten out of hand. We have guys running 10K motors in their bomber cars.
the top two in points were making over 500hp.
Im all for that but when I have to try to compete against that it gets a little fustrating going to the track knowing who is going to win and isnt going to be you.

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