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Edog1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 24
posted September 03, 2004 02:53 PM  
I would like to hear some stories about creative interpretation of the rule book. I know many people have gone to some great lengths and expenses to cheat. What is the most ingenious method you have seen or heard about. Please dont flame me about the ethics of cheating.

redneck racing
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Total posts: 860
posted September 03, 2004 03:18 PM  
Using of the light weight stock(no less) flywheel and I also had a buddy who some years ago who mounted the canister type fuel filter up front on his firewall and hollowed it put a line through for the fuel and filled it full of dry ice. Eddie

Ego Racing
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Total posts: 724
posted September 03, 2004 07:11 PM  
We got a motor from a friend who always said it was an old CUP motor. We just needed it as a spare. He freshened it for us before we got it. We had the motor for about 3 months and never did anything with it until we broke the crank on our motor. The car would flat out fly! We set it on the track record the first time we qualified with it and I never really pushed it. We won 6 races in the last 11 of the season and finished 2 or third in 5 others. We were teched several times, protested the carb, the crank, the fuel and our tires and all checked out good. After the season we were going to freshen the motor, upon opening the block we found a bowtie block with the front two cylinders at 4.030 and the last 6 were 4.240.

Eljojo
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Total posts: 968
posted September 04, 2004 06:23 AM  
We were allowed to run a panhard bar on the metric four link. However it would bind up the rear if all the links were left in place. So I asked the tech if I could disconnect one of the links on one end. Cool. Then I asked the promoter if he thought tech would have a problem with me changing the angle of the upper links. No problem. I mounted the remaining link to the top of the center section and ran it 90 degrees off the rear-- downhill at about 15 degrees. (can you say three link?) The car was bad fast and set a new track record for our class. I'd followed all the rules and used all stock parts and......well.....got caught cheating and was dq'ed. Oh well!

Todchester
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 23
posted September 04, 2004 09:58 AM  
We run a IMCA stock car and the rules say "no air cleaner duct work" After giving it some thought and checking the rules I found a "gray" area. I bilt aluminum heat shields that bolt on the top of the valve cover and fit under the air cleaner and over the header. Then bilt "inner fenders" from plastic than ran from the front bumper to the firewall. Rivited to the front hoop bars and butted to fender. We run a stock Monte ss nose, so the open headlight holes allow fresh air to enter and be directed up the "inner fender" to the fire wall and hood. Being forced over the "heat shields" into th air cleaner. So far, they dont like it but have not been dq'ed.

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Edog1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 24
posted September 06, 2004 12:47 PM  
Keep them coming guys. Did someone delete the post about high compression pistons?

Ego Racing
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Total posts: 724
posted September 06, 2004 05:54 PM  
We ran a class that allowed us to run the factory lift bar from the camaro. We put the bar in with a rubber snubber on the top for the bar to bump into. We found tha changing the position of the snubber changed the car alot but it was not an easy adjustment due to the location. We found a small riding lawnmower rearend and used it as a 90 degree gearbox. The shaft was mounted the shaft to a jackbolt and put the snubber on the jackbolt. We put a brake adjuster (the handle type) and ran it to the box instead of the brake adjuster. The gearbox floated on the shaft anf the cable was enough to keep it inplace. When going to down the straight all you had to do was turn the snubber up or down. The funny part was the TECH guys never found it and several other drivers figured it out and at the end of the season about 10 cars were using it. We had a $2500 to win race and we hurt our motor in the heat race and finished 12th but the top 8 cars were DQ'd pecause of the adjuster we ended up 3rd after everything and they only teched the top 3 cars and when the 3 in front of us passed tech they didnot go any farther.

iowatoolman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 369
posted September 06, 2004 11:57 PM  
yes htey must have i posted it
a person ran domes in all 7 cylinders and in #1 he ran a flat top because that was the only one they checked teching in

there was another one but that must have been why they deleted it something about p****** in the fuel cell

drive hard or drive home

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Originally posted by Edog1:
Keep them coming guys. Did someone delete the post about high compression pistons?


Okie11m
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 287
posted September 07, 2004 04:27 PM  
I've got one for ya, but 2 races till the end of the season & don't want the comp. to figure it out!! Will post later

DSMFANATIC
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 90
posted September 09, 2004 06:17 AM  
MILL BRAKE ROTORS AS THIN AS YOU DARE AND MILL AS MUCH DIAMETER OFF AS POSSIBLE(ROTATING WEIGHT)

rico 08
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Total posts: 1139
posted September 09, 2004 07:25 AM  
I blew my good engine and had to use the backup a bone stock engine,i ran next to last with it so i figured i'd try something..i mixed alky with the racing gas 50/50,jetted it very fat(alky carb)and tried it out,it was good enuf for second place(i almost got 'em)and really made my buddies laugh.I wouldn't reccomend it on a good engine as the alky and gas do not mix at all,i just figured i'd warm my tires on the cautions to keep it sort of mixed...and it really smelled like i was running gas.True story

Ego Racing
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Total posts: 724
posted September 09, 2004 04:22 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by DSMFANATIC:
MILL BRAKE ROTORS AS THIN AS YOU DARE AND MILL AS MUCH DIAMETER OFF AS POSSIBLE(ROTATING WEIGHT)

Messing with your rotors is taking a chance with your life. I have had a brake rotor explode on an asphault modified. No brakes on a 5/8 mile track and 140mph going in. They told me it was one H*** of a wreck, It was hard to believe when I saw it on video. I was in a drug induced coma for a few weeks. The engine block hit the wall so hard it cracked the front 2 cylinders in the bore and the rear end housing was bent forward in the center from the impact.
Buy light wheels, an aluminum driveshaft or what ever but DON'T MESS WITH YOUR LIFE!

Ego Racing
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Total posts: 724
posted September 09, 2004 04:25 PM  
We had a driveshaft that was an aluminum inside splined tube, the ends slid into the tube with a splined shaft because they were steel. Then they wrapped the whole thing with thin sheet steel and welded it. It looked steel (required by the rules) but weighed less than 1/2 the weight.

littlesister
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 48
posted September 09, 2004 05:46 PM  
hey guys, what stinks is when the track doesn't necessarily enforce the rules for each division and people run lower classes than they're supossed to! am i right bobaluuu?

[This message has been edited by littlesister (edited September 09, 2004).]

Rookieracer76
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 289
posted September 09, 2004 06:08 PM  
cant forget about the lead in the bottm of the fuel cell when theres a "no lead" rule. i like the light-weight flywheel

[This message has been edited by Rookieracer76 (edited September 09, 2004).]

Hutch5375
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 123
posted September 09, 2004 07:11 PM  
We're not supposed to run ballast in the car (IMCA Hobby Stock rules) so I filled the drivers side frame rail with shot and welded a few heavy plates to the left rear to get the cross % up.

bobaluuu
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 474
posted September 09, 2004 07:26 PM  
I have raced at another track in a lower division and won, It was a hollow,empty experience and I gave the trophy away. Today we are so legal I almost feel handicapped to some others but we continue to win its a great feeling.

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juni
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 184
posted September 09, 2004 10:28 PM  
We have a rule on carb size 1 3/8s rodchester,I driled a 3/8 hole between the two venturi that went down and then drilled angle holes from the bottom into that passages and rejetted and richened up the idle circuts so it would run . Ran great, two weeks latter the track came up with a no vac . leaks .We have a fiftty dollar claim on carbs ,one of my fellow racer who didn't like us winning claimed my carb. I sold it and showed the tech man the drilled holes after he paid me my 50.00 bucks and laughed my a** off cause he just bought and illegal carb.

ALCOHOL
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 46
posted September 10, 2004 10:08 AM  
I always liked the weight rule tracks impose. You can't run an aftermarket aluminum body, but you have to weigh 3000lbs. If I have to weigh 3000lbs, why can't I wrap the car in saran wrap? Dumb, huh? Or you can run after market racing shocks on your street car, but they can't be adjustable, why? Or you can run an automatic racing tranny without a torque converter, but you can't run a Bert. Oh I could go on and on.

stockcar5
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 578
posted September 14, 2004 11:22 AM  
sounds like imca to me...350cfm carb to choke things off and equal everything out....then still have a 425$ engine claim?

and dont get me started on their ever changing definition of "stock" components!

luke

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wizzard
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 306
posted September 18, 2004 10:20 PM  
we put a 2 inch thick peace of steal plate in the bottom of the battery tray they never looked there either

boas51
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 190
posted September 19, 2004 07:49 AM  
the steel non adjustable shock rule is to keep costs down, a torquless automatic is way less expensive than any aftermarket tranny, as simple as that. and the steel body rule is for the people who cant afford to spend $2000 putting a body on a car that came from the factory with one. and dont tell me you have to buy 4 times as many shocks to get what the adjustable does for you, it just tells me you are another one of them home town heros, racing in the wrong class, always pushing for rules changes, and wrecking it for those who can almost afford to compete there.
imca screwed itself listening to the whining rich boys, complaining that a stock transmission wouldnt take 600 hp. imca should not have given them the transmission, they should have taken away the motor.

bobaluuu
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 474
posted September 21, 2004 08:53 PM  
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IMCA . seems some influence is being,levered at times . Wonder why tracks around the country are kickin them out. direct drive is knuckling to pressure from $$$$, your right. these guys will spend large sums of money that most of us cant afford but money buys favors so the common racer gets nudged out and then the fields get smaller and so on and so on

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wizzard
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 306
posted September 21, 2004 09:16 PM  
with all this talk about the money thing i run at a track back home that had different classes than most your low budget class was real simple no aftermarket they didnt care if ya put 500inch caddy in a pinto as long as there was no aftermarket parts then it went to hot street which started to alow more hotrod parts and so on this was my faveret place to run heck i didnt have but around 1200 in the whole car run it for 2 years

neil rucker
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Total posts: 799
posted September 21, 2004 09:18 PM  
the IMCA rule on the 350 cfm carb. is stupid! put a better carb on a cheaper to build long block, and make a .425" lift rule hyd. cam mandatory. you would have to go to a taller gear because the motor would quit pulling and fall off at bout 6000 to 6200 rpm, but a cheap motor WILL live at 6000 longer. sooner or later this wont work either because the cats with a million dollars to spend will find a LEGAL advantage.

iowatoolman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 369
posted September 21, 2004 09:22 PM  
so tell me why all of you circle track guys spend over 400 on a motor race for 200 and can get claimed for 350 that just don't make sence to me.... am i lost or what???
yea i race figure 8's no claim... strict motor rules (in the stock class) and i have just as much fun racing for more money!!!

i am not trying to make anyone mad just asking a question???

it seems to me that imca has the rules all bent up and you all need to fix them

drive hard or drive home

allzway
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 136
posted September 22, 2004 07:11 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by iowatoolman:
so tell me why all of you circle track guys spend over 400 on a motor race for 200 and can get claimed for 350 that just don't make sence to me.... am i lost or what???

Basically it is a gamble everytime at the track.

However.. usually there is a little respect given to the budget racers...unless you come out with an obvious better engine than the rest of the field, then you become a target.

Since they were rich enough to put the big motor in there in the first place, they can afford to put another one in when they lose that one.


Ego Racing
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Total posts: 724
posted September 22, 2004 12:46 PM  
This is not cheating but it helps with copy cats. We got sick of everyony looking over our car and then doing things we were trying. I went to a local company that gets aluminum in ingots and bolted a few to the car. Our rules read that all ballast has to be painted white with the car number on it. Right now two of our cars look like we have 300lbs bolted to the right rear frame rail. Some of them are hollowed out in the back where you cannot see. The total weight is about 60lbs but they are about the same size as a 75lb lead weight.

Edog1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 24
posted September 26, 2004 08:31 PM  
The season is winding down lets see more ideas guys.

racin78p
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 333
posted September 27, 2004 11:52 PM  
Not "new" info, but we have an adjustable fuel cell, adjustable battery box. There's alot of weight there to play with.

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