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PEDDLER
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 446
posted September 10, 2000 06:49 PM  
With the cost in grass roots racing increasing, how about a Non IMCA nationwide set of rules for Street Stock?
Here goes my suggestions
1. Full frame car 72 to present.
2. Automatic trans only with min 10" tq.
3. 9 in Ford Production rear end, no full float hubs.( or stock rear)
4. 8 in wheels with DOT 60 ser tires only,
(must be available to general public at retail outlets.)
5. 2bbl carb,no holleys $100. claim on carb.
6. 362ci max limit, flat top,10 to 1 comp Hyd cam .525 max lift, stock rods, stock rockers, cast iron intake, headers with mufflers.$50. protest(pump or visual) or $450. claim with swap plus wrecker fee.
7. single radiator only mounted in stock location.
8. Quick steer ok.
Just some ideas. This may sound like bomber class or crusier in your area but it is not as wild as IMCA stocks are getting or as wild as street stocks are in other parts of the country.

NewGuy1
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted September 10, 2000 07:40 PM  
I definately agree with you! The IMCA stock cars are an $8000 to $12,000 race car minimum. In addition, the street stocks vary wildly from track to track. Who wants to build a car that is legal at only one track. You suggestions for rules are very sensible and would still build a nice race car. IMCA had the right idea with a national set of rules, but then they went overboard! Their stock cars are basically a modified with stock skins on it. For the money, why not just build a modified?

06racin
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted September 11, 2000 04:21 PM  
It`s the same in my neck of the wood`s they keep changing and changing the rules to the point that no one can afford to race or at least compete! If i am going to put 10,000 plus in a race car it`s not going to be a street stock ! lol **** we have pure street car`s here that can run with the Mod`s

johnss27
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted September 13, 2000 11:19 PM  
This is a great subject. Standardization would certianly help street stocks. It's just so hard to get anyone to agree, though. With all of our different ideas on what makes a good street stock, how would we ever agree?
That's the whole problem...No one is willing to change very much. In my area alone we have three tracks close together that cannot achieve standardization. Sure, we get together and discuss it, but so far no luck.
Just look at the rule points listed so far. They're fine, but just for fun, here's some counter points...
Full frame cars only? That eliminates Camaros, Firebirds, Nova's, many Fords and all Mopars. I understand that many street stock rules eliminate Firebirds and Camaros, but in one single swipe, this rule outlaws all leaf cars (assuming we're using stock suspensions). I realize that GM cars make up probably 90 percent of most stock classes, but does that mean the others shouldn't be allowed to compete? Heck, I race a Dodge and a Chevy and they're both competitive.
362 cubic inch limit? Again, this is biased toward GM. Pretty much eliminates a .030 over Mopar 360.
Why headers? They burn up starters, get bent on the track, and are an "enabler" as I call them for more expensive engines. By that I mean that they enable the engine to turn higher rpms efficiently, which requires more expensive parts. How about cast iron with no Corvette center dumps allowed?
Claims are extremely unpopular with most racers. Not saying I personally disagree with them, just making a point. Perhaps the carb claim and limited traction in the form of smaller, harder tires eliminates the need for an engine claim?
Spec. Dart heads? A good idea, sort of, but we're not all running GMs and I think it'd be unadvisable to eliminate other manufacturers. Remember that variety in the class is one of the things that makes street stock appealing to fans. And, most after-market heads for Fords & Mopars are considerably more pricey than Darts.
Regardless, enjoy your street stock racing while it lasts. Just think of the cars we'll have to choose from in 10 to 15 years...Yuck.

speedster
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 94
posted September 14, 2000 06:07 PM  
HEY GUYS
REMEMBER WE CANT RUN THE 57 CHEVY FOREVER??
IF THE STREETS IN YOUR AREA ARE AS FAR OUT OF THE RULES AS YA ALL SAY WHY ARENT THESE GUYS RUNNING MODS SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A BUTT LOAD OF MONEY IN THESE CARS ANYWAY? OUT HERE ON THE WEST COAST YOU CAN RACE A MOD FOR AROUND 5000.00 AND STILL BE COMPETITIVE KINDA! CYA!

PEDDLER
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 446
posted September 15, 2000 06:19 PM  
Hey Guys, thanks for the replies.

I knew this would happen. If you want to run what you have laying around, thats fine but don't do it at a track that sets up a set of rules like above. The main idea behind the rules that I posted above was to keep the cost down that we the racers have ammended over the years to the point that backyarders are no longer in the race.
If you want floaters,Holleys,standards with ram clutches, race a different class.This is intended to bring street stock racing back to earth and back in line with the wallet.

Eng cube limits can be adjusted for non G.M.
Cast Iron manifolds? I could and would go either way.Spec heads are fine but a complete coverage for all makes would be needed as not to create an advantage.

I.M.C.A. has the right idea in that a hard narrow tire would equalize the cars. I myself like the 60 dot in that you can create some stagger and 8" wheels can be had for 35.00 each most anywhere. The high dollar lightweight wheel is not an advantage on a 3400# street stock so why buy them other than to say you have them.

Thanks again for the replys and keep them comming.
The Peddler

[This message has been edited by PEDDLER (edited September 15, 2000).]

fastrack1
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 145
posted September 15, 2000 08:53 PM  
well here is the age old question he who has the most influence wins i am here in south georgia and they have come up with this any engine but can be claimed for a 1000.00 and 3000.00 on the car as i see this rule it is a game of money as it is but the man can buy the best stuff and run it and all he has to do is not sell and what does he lose 300.00 1st place but everbody leaves thinking he won right i dont know of a person that does not think losing 300.00 is worse than leaving with a tore up car and no money but i do agree that some things are out of hands some tracks allow jig frames and factory bodies but think where is this type of racing going to be in 10 yrs it all will have to be aftermarket and jig built

junkyard
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 47
posted September 15, 2000 09:42 PM  
Where I race if you don't have a 421 don't expect to win the street stocks. $300 to win.

Kojak
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted September 20, 2000 09:03 AM  
The Street Stocks of the future might be trucks. Plenty of them are around.

Peddler, I think the old lady is going to let me race next year . I can only afford to race n the Pure Street class. Hopefully, I can sell my old parts and Hot Stock to fund the new car.

It is ashame that we cannot get the rules in our area the same. Sure, not everyone is going to travel from track to track, but when there is a rain out somewhere, then you have the option to travel. There needs to be uniformity between Waco and DFW area tracks with the dwindling numbers in the Hot Stock class in our area, and even Street Stocks as of late. It is going to take sacrifice by racers to achieve standardization. Will it happen? Probably not in my opinion.

<Hey, who loves ya, baby? >

[This message has been edited by Kojak (edited September 20, 2000).]

PEDDLER
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 446
posted September 20, 2000 06:30 PM  
Hey Kojak:
Good to hear from you son. Heard you have been on the hospital in Colorado. What did I tell you about leaving Texas.Good to see you back on the forum.

Kojak
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted September 21, 2000 08:06 AM  
Peddler,

Yep, I was in the hospital for 5 days(2 too many in my opinion) and the doctors never gave me a definite answer as to the cause, either. They think it was either food poisoning or colitis. Also, they noticed I have a bleeding spleen, but it ok for now. I just need to go in for a checkup at a later date to determine if the spleen is ok. The doctors say you must be hit with alot of force to damage the spleen, which I have not been. So, another unexplained problem with me. However, I did manage to hold myself together long enough to see the Rocky Mountains. Sure is beautiful there, but I am glad to be home. See you Friday if the weather holds up for racing.

[This message has been edited by Kojak (edited September 21, 2000).]

PEDDLER
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 446
posted September 24, 2000 08:06 PM  
I want to thank everyone who posted on this topic. If you think that racing your class has gotten out of hand , then it is up to you and racers like you to calm the rules down some.

If you and others in your class come together in a calm manner and approch your local promoter, rules can be cut back.

Remember that in most cases when all cars are close to equal then races for the fans will be good and cost for the racers will be diminshed.

In most cases ,,RACING IS A HOBBY GO HAVE FUN!!!

wildpony
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 1
posted October 22, 2000 09:37 PM  
You answer is to look to the North. Wissota is a sanction with a good set of street stock rules. They run at over 300 tracks in Minnesota, Wisconsin, North & South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming. The Classes they run are in order from top to bottom. Late Model, Modifieds, Super Stocks, Limited Modifieds, Mod-4's, and Street stocks. Check out there web sight at www.wissota.org or www.allthedirt.com

hotfan
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted October 29, 2000 04:38 PM  
Hey PEDDLER, thats a good idea for the street stocks. I know several I-stock drivers that are running $9,000 complete rollers and $2,000 engines. I think the street stock idea would be a great idea!!

Pickel
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 784
posted October 29, 2000 07:06 PM  
Wow, I like the Wissota rules. The street stocks here would excede the rules for the Wissota modifieds. $15,000 in an engine is not unusual. Full tubular frames as well. It's crazy.

PEDDLER
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 446
posted November 12, 2000 01:49 PM  
Hey Guys, Thanks for the replies. It is up to guys like yourselves and other racers that are fed up with the ever escalting cost of grass root racing to work with your local promoters or race track owners to scale back some of the classes.

I also see that IMCA has mandated some new rules for 2001 for their stock car class to try to equalize the class.In some respects this will cost the racer more, but change like it or not will come.

The changes for some tracks that run the late models classified as street stocks will be to see the class price itself out of existence and dissapear. This only hurts the racers.

Good luck to all and remember,it is you the racer who in the long run make things happen.

Racing is a hobby, Go have fun !!

Racer31
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted November 12, 2000 05:16 PM  
Just a post to stay on or close to the top and stay with Jammin's post

skawldeddawg
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted January 01, 2001 10:46 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by PEDDLER:
With the cost in grass roots racing increasing, how about a Non IMCA nationwide set of rules for Street Stock?
Here goes my suggestions
1. Full frame car 72 to present.
2. Automatic trans only with min 10" tq.
3. 9 in Ford Production rear end, no full float hubs.( or stock rear)
4. 8 in wheels with DOT 60 ser tires only,
(must be available to general public at retail outlets.)
5. 2bbl carb,no holleys $100. claim on carb.
6. 362ci max limit, flat top,10 to 1 comp Hyd cam .525 max lift, stock rods, stock rockers, cast iron intake, headers with mufflers.$50. protest(pump or visual) or $450. claim with swap plus wrecker fee.
7. single radiator only mounted in stock location.
8. Quick steer ok.
Just some ideas. This may sound like bomber class or crusier in your area but it is not as wild as IMCA stocks are getting or as wild as street stocks are in other parts of the country.

I'm with you on these rules,or a set similar to them.If we as street stock owners and drivers and fans could agree on a set of rules it would open up a lot of doors as far as promotion,opportunities and exposure for our sport.It would be cool if there were some kind of a national shootout series,worth a few dollars,of course!

Mudder32
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 17
posted June 24, 2003 01:48 PM  
I live in Wissota country and we have guys here sticking up to $18,000 in cars. If you don't have a ton of money into them its hard to be competitive. You could win every race for a few years and not even come close to paying for your car. The rules you proposed are almost identical to the bomber rules at our local track.

Pickel
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 784
posted June 24, 2003 09:37 PM  
I posted this thread almost 3 years ago. Since then our local track has dropped the HOT Stock series (Mainly Cameros with 10 grand motors) and our Street Stock and Pure Stock are dying a slow death.

The up and coming class is SIMS/ULMA limited Mods that have robbed the classes of drivers. Not that many new people getting into racing in this area. Also the economy is not the greatest. We also have a track war that is dividing the cars that are left.

This only hurts the racer.


Icehouse
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted June 24, 2003 10:52 PM  
Our rules for Street Stock are similar to most other tracks bombers, then we have a Modified Street. For the Street Stocks, the top boys are running cars in the $8000 range. For Modified Street, the guy who's won the championship 4 out of the last 5 years has told me he has nearly $15000 tied up, he even replaces rear tires every other week (track tires at $85 a pop). I finished 5th my last season in points with about $3000 in the car, $5500ish in the engine, running 2 year old tires. We run 2 Late Model divisions, 2 Street divisions, 2 mini divisions, a 4 cyl. truck class, and a front wheel drive beginners class. I'd be willing to guess that nearly all of the fans come to see the Modified Street and Limited Late Models, it seems they have the best all 'round races with the speed, action, and competition.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted June 24, 2003 11:02 PM  
What about the carbs would'nt it be best to use a 500 two barrel holley right out of the box them stock things haven't been made for like 20 years i think there making them holleys while we speak that would make them a little more plentyful if you started useing them around your track i bet they would be easier to find and i know easier to work on and tune

racer8w
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 26
posted June 29, 2003 12:28 PM  
Rules are good and all but what if the track doesn't inforce them? I race at a track in northern michigan. The street stock rules call for "stock appearing Motors" cast iron intake, 2 barrell carb, no rollers, stock clutch.... The majority of the cars I race against run triple disc, roller cams, and who knows what else. How can a team running on a budget compete against guys who are obviously breaking the rules if the officials don't inspect the cars? I've run for two years and never had my car looked at.
uniform rules would be nice but how about inforcing the ones we got first.

ARMallardSlayer
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 175
posted July 05, 2005 10:45 AM  
I like the idea of a set of rules for everyone, nationwide, but we can't even get a set of rules in our state that everyone's the same on..........I just makes good sense to have one set of rules.

Some of the restrictions the first poster came up with I don't agree with...this is street stock........

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tin cup
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted July 05, 2005 03:13 PM  
What about starting your own series? Our FACTORY STOCK'S are costing $10,000. Our tire's cost about $125 =/- $10. Motor's are outragious. Street stock's motor rule is "steel block and head's". That's it, nothing else. Maybe 10-12 race's a year. One big one at the end. Just a thought.

Terry52
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted July 11, 2005 08:26 PM  
like all the rules but the holleys.cfm limit ok. but must keep the holleys!


    

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