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MossyOakSilverado
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted September 27, 2005 06:27 PM  
I have been frequenting the local dirt track and have decided to venture in the Pure Stock V8 class. Seems like a great class to enter. Stock metal body, manual trans only, two barrel carb on cast intake w/ no mods or edelbrock performer intake, stock locked or ford 9" rear, no Vortec heads, stock frame can be X braced, stock suspension as made by manufacturer for car, straight gear w/ forward and reverse and stock clutch and blowproof bellhousing or diaper. Im sure these rules are the same or similar everywhere. Anyways I was wondering what type of motor,trans setup I should run. I will be racing at Hagerstown Speedyway. 1/2 mile red clay track. Not looking to blow anyone away right off the bat but would like to have fun and learn a ton in my first season. I know I will probably go with a Chevy 350 w/ cam and the edelbrock intake. I was wondering what kind of tranny to go with. I hear of guys running 3 speed tranys. Was wondering what gears they are running. Also have heard that most guys are running 6.23 gear w/ the Ford 9"rears out this way. Just looking for some good info to get me pointed in the right direction. Most likley will buy a car already setup minus engine and trans. What should I look for and shy away from? Thanks for any info.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted September 27, 2005 08:45 PM  
Mossy Oak, I'd double check on that gear ratio. Ask a couple of guys who are running in the class you are planning to go into.

Koolaid
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 82
posted September 28, 2005 05:25 AM  
I agree with racer17j on the price and trying to pick up a used chassis. If nothing else getting a used chassis for the first one gets you out on the track quicker and also gives you a feel for what you want to do when you decided to build your own down the road. Don't scrimp on the safety - check out www.pyrotect.com - I like their stuff and they have a racer program that you can probably get into for discounts on merchandise. Spend your money up front on saftey items and they will last and be a good return on investment in that first crash.

As far as chassis choice goes for the most part you will be either looking at 108" wheel base G body GMs (78~87 Monte Carlo, Cutlass, Grand Prix, Regal) or the 116" B-Body (Caprice, Impala, LeSabre, 88, etc). Both are cheaper then dirt to get parts for. The B-Body is going to be a little heavier, but off the bat you are going to habe a little better front geometry and the front suspension is beefier to boot. At our 1/2 mile track among the Chevy guys about 1/3 run 108s, 1/3 run the 116s, and the remaining 1/3 run the older 112" A-Body cars which are excellent also, just getting harder to get junkyard parts for.

You might want to wait on the 6.23 gear until you talk to someone like the other two guys said - just off hand that seems pretty big for 1/2 mile, but who knows the track layout. You are going to want to gear the car for the engine you build - if you have a junkyard engine you aren't going to want to spin it 7500rpms.

Since the season is over check the for sale boards and if you see a car up for sale where you saw it run halfway decent give the guy a call and go take a look at it. Usually racers are more then happy to talk about cars, and really really happy to talk if you buy the car.

Good luck - you'll have fun and be ticked at all the money you're spending at the same time - what a great feeling!!

MossyOakSilverado
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted September 28, 2005 04:46 PM  
Thanks for the words of encouragment and the info guys. So you say a three speed tranny is a good way to go. Do you guys just run the stock trans housing with a gearbox or is this a special trans built for racing? I have been browsing through my new and old JEGS and Summit catalogues and havent seen any three speeds. I have to use a Chevy trans w/ a chevy car.

Raceman17
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 165
posted September 28, 2005 05:29 PM  
Just go find one at the junkyard and have a local shop rebuild it. Or you can ask around at the track. There are numeous people who know how to build a good 3 speed cheap. Dont waist your money on a jeggs or summit deal. Check out www.speedwaymotors.com. get a catalog and you will see all the stuff that you will need.
Later

MossyOakSilverado
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted September 28, 2005 06:56 PM  
Speedway has a 3speed rebuilt Saginaw. Removed 1st gear and lightened 2nd and 3rd w/ reverse. It seems kinda cheap at only 450$ compared to the the Richmond and Falcon racing trannys that are over a grand. Is the rebuilt saginaw going to hold up or is it worth it to just go with something better

Raceman17
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 165
posted September 28, 2005 07:32 PM  
Many people run junkyard trannys with no problems. The speedway tranny will be fine also your just going to pasy more for them being machined and lightened up.
Later

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted September 30, 2005 06:24 PM  
Not sure what the perpetual rants about Summit are, but I've had nothing but good luck with them. They made it right with me when a box UPS tore lost some fasteners. They made it right with me when I got some exhaust in that wasn't what the manufacturer claimed it was.

Afco parts are Afco parts if you buy them from Speedway or Day or Summit. Aero rims are Aero rims if you buy them from Lanes or Summit.

Lanes (Motorstate distributing) sponsors my local track and the majority of my business goes there, but if I can't make it out to a showroom I have no problem ordering from Summit - they have a good search on their website, shipping is quick, and not a lot of messing around. Pricing is competitive on most of the engine stuff - seems like Afco parts are a little high, but overall I'm not sure Afco parts are the best bang for the buck. Haven't had the best results with Stock Car Products, but I'll give them another chance if I need something they have.

Oh and another thing - go ahead and try Speedways balljoints since they know all about circle track stuff - once you break a couple sets go ahead and buy yourself some Moogs from Summit or Motorstate (you can order them from SCP but odds are will be backordered for a year). You won't break the Moogs - those straightline guys have that figured out.

PS - Day, Speedway, and SCP put as much money into my local track as Summit does.

Eljojo
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 968
posted October 01, 2005 04:09 AM  
Great post Koolaid!
Randy's Race Mart is one of the forum sponsors--be sure to support those who support you!

Koolaid
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 82
posted October 01, 2005 06:03 AM  
Thanks for the heads up - I'll check out Randy's.

Barker100racing
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted October 15, 2005 11:29 AM  
MossyOak, for your smaller parts and rims etc, check out Capital Motorsports. They're located in Adams, Mass and will have your stuff to you TOMORROW if you order by 3pm today.
I've had nothing but good luck with them.
They're online as well: cmwraceparts.com
Their prices are reasonable and they are very helpful.
As for your tranny woes...I know nothing about manual trannies since we're allowed to run the 2 speed powerglides. But if it were me, I'd fine the make/model that your preferred tranny comes out of and get it out of the junkyard. You'll save plenty of dough so you'll have some extra cash for your engine project/suspension parts.
Good luck!

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted October 17, 2005 07:06 PM  
Thanks for everything guys. Got my Speedway catalogue today and WOW! How easy to find everything. They have sections marked for each division. I easily found the street stock/pure stock section and have begun sifting through and making some selections.

magician227
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 55
posted October 20, 2005 05:19 PM  
Lets see...got a new Jeg's catalog today. Whats that on the front? A drag car....hmmmmm. But wait, there is a circle track section, all 4 pages of it. Im thinkin Ill keep to companies that know what I'm talking about when I ask what spring rate will give me more bite in the corner. Yeah....corners.


Magician

dirt_mopar99
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 94
posted October 20, 2005 07:04 PM  
O.K. my 2 cents... I buy out of the catalogs some but what I have found to be the best is find a local speedshop or chasis builder and buy everything you can from him. Hopefully he's the guy wandering around the pits on race night and if you are having trouble he'll help you out.

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