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kmongo
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Total posts: 21
posted August 05, 2005 05:44 AM  


 
Just about finished caging my camaro and have run into a small delima. I bought one of the 2x2 bumpers and plastic nose pieces and when I put all the sheet metal back on and line it all up the bumper sits about 6 to 8 inches higher than the front frame horns where the original bolts on. I want the front bumper to be strong and would appreciate any advice on mounting this. Anyone have any pictures of thier camaros with this bumper and set up? Thanks Kevin

racer17j
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posted August 05, 2005 06:21 PM  
Well we are building one at this time too and we have the same front loop it looks like. The car i got they were going to run stock brackets but we all now that wont last long. My advice and what we are going to do is bend pipe to fit your new bumpre and then fit it to the car with out touching radiator monting bar. Its not really that hard but i know you can get lost at times when looking at this stuff. Mount bumper so it can protect and not move radiator when you hit something. I think we are going to use 2" square tubing to follow bumper pattern and then connect to frame with 2" 90% ells coming off the side of frame rails with two 2" rails coming straight out to the 2"Square tubing.

kmongo
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posted August 05, 2005 09:01 PM  
Yes we put the sheet metal on when we installed the front hoop. We made the front hoop level with the stock front panel that the fenders connect to in the front. I have the hoop bar up front and thats it. I have to fab my radiator mounts and bumper to complete my chassis. I was going to use the front panel that connects the fenders in the front and has the top contoured edge that the stock nose piece sits on. I trimmed it and lightened it as much as possible. Is that a good idea or should I weld brackets from the front hoop to support the fenders and nose piece. Thanks for you guys advice, Kevin

Steve Dupree
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posted August 06, 2005 06:33 AM  
Kevin i wish we could draw a pic here lol. If it was me i would weld a 2x1 peice all the way across from frame rail ro frame rail for my 4 core radiator. The bottom of radiator fits that perfect and you can put some two sided tape on top of bar to pad and help it from slipping. Then on the top either come from your loop or build another loop from the frame and come off with two pieces of the same thing you used on the bottom oh say 4" long and weld a flat piece on top of that piece so it fits the top groove just like you did on the bottom. The main thing you want in the front is to ne able to wreck and it not get into your radiator or knock you out of the race. IF your front bumper doesnt touch your radiator loop then you will have something that will work. I am going to weld two 1 ft or so pieces on each frame rail on the out side and then run a 1 1/2 round pipe to tie them together Then come off of the pieces i welded so when i get hit it bends them before attacting my frame. Once you get mind rolling i dont think you will have a problem if what i am trying to say is coming through. I relize that when you build this it wont be right in line with your front bumper but you can angle it upwards and with right bracinf still be as strong or stronger than a stock piece without hurting frame or radiator. I run a ford torino and when we first started we left the stock bumoer on and hit the wall and reallt it wasnt very hard and it just crushed are frame horns So being a bodyman i cut off frame horns and built my own with 3" square tubbing and then come off it with 2" pipe to connect my bumper backing and bumper. We have crashed hard several times and knock on wood we have never bent the frame or the pieces i buit as frame horns or ever lost a radiator sense then Before that i went through three radiators My loop that mounts the radiator is 2" pipe and nothing but the fenders are connected to it and they are mounted so they bend before loop get bent. Well if you need any pics to help write me at geminikid1@yahoo.com and i will take some pics that might help you.

kmongo
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posted August 06, 2005 08:16 AM  
Steve, Thanks alot Ive always been better at seeing something and then adapting to what I am working on. I was going to extend my frame horns a bit and run some tubing between them then come off that with some radiator mounts. The top im going to come off the top hoop with some 1in square and some brackets. I guess I will fab some kind of bumper brakets.I'll send you my email address and if you have time I would really appreciate some pics. Thanks Kevin

Steve Dupree
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posted August 06, 2005 01:34 PM  
Hey Kevin sent you some pics but had to take then in the shop but maybe you can see what i was talking about. If you need better ones when we get done winning tonite we will take some outside tomorrow for you . LOL I hoped you liked that after we get done winning comment. Take care and chat soon.

Eljojo
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posted August 07, 2005 04:12 PM  
Kevin-I went about half crazy doing exactly what you are doing! This is what I did. I hung the sheet metal on the chassis. I decided where the radiator would fit best, just ahead of the steering box. I welded a piece of 1/2" square tubing into a "U" with the upright pieces about 6" long and the bottom of the"U" long enough that the two uprights would touch inside edge of the frame horns. At that point I set the radiator on that crossbar and lowered it until the top of the radiator was just above the tip of the fanblade---check to make sure the hood won't hit the fan.
There's quite a bit of trimming to do on the Camaro nose. I cut all that part out that "Vees" across the front, because it hit the radiator. Then I slid the nose over the tips of the front fenders and checked to see how far I was from the front of the radiator...mine was like 6" or 8" in front, so I cut off the front fenders until I could slip the nose on and it would just come in front of the radiator. Hello vice grips and "C" clamps!!!!!!! Secure that baby (just the nose and bumper) into place.
I used a piece of 2"x4" rect tubing abut 5" long on top of each of the frame horns. I welded them up solid and then set a piece of 2"x 2" sq tubing to run from them out to the bumper. I was lucky to find some of that 2x2 that was light guage so that it would give before the frame horns did. You can make some uprights and fender braces that are independent of the bumper brace so that "in the event of a collision" LOL The bumper goes but the fenders and hood don't.
If You got it fine If not I'll get some lights and try to get you a picture of what I did. The difference is that I used one of those stock aluminum bumpers and it went on just slightly different than yours will. You can trim some metal off the frame horns, the fenders and the hood---and your front bumper weight is back towards the front wheels by doing it like I said!
Good Luck
Jojo

kmongo
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posted August 07, 2005 04:26 PM  
Thanks guys for all the input, Me and a buddy have installed the cage front to back and I was just fried and at a loss for ideas, I had a chance to buy a top running metric at the beginning of this year to race this season but I always have to have things just the way I like, Im glad I built this car myself but it has been a big challenge for a rookie builder. Thanks again I'll post some pics closer to the end of the week to show you what I came up with. Eljojo thanks for the input, some pics would be great, send to kmongo@cableone. Thanks again, Kevin

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