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rogracer2
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 119
posted March 22, 2005 07:30 PM  
Still relatively new at dirt track racing - what are the most common ways to help reduce your back tires from spinning so much when you come off the corners? It seems like everyone else is passing me off the corner while I'm still spinning my tires!

Raceman17
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 165
posted March 22, 2005 08:16 PM  
Is the rearend locked?

dm3
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted March 22, 2005 08:24 PM  
Welcome to dirt track racing. Throttle control is the name of the game. This is why traction control is such a big issue. You are going to have to get a feel for how quickly you can roll into the throttle and how to adjust for different, and changing, track conditions. This comes with experience, and the only way to get it, is to get out on the track. Most new drivers look for something they can do to the car to make it stick better (ie. add weight to the rear of the car - which you may need to do). For starters the gas pedal is not an on-off switch. You need to "roll into it". When you feel the rear tires break loose (spin), you need to let off and let the tires get traction and start rolling into the throttle again. Anytime you spin the tires, you're loosing ground to the drivers that aren't. Ideally, you should never be "spinning" your tires. Make sure you have some bend in your knee - my son had his leg almost flat because it was more comfortable but it cost him his throttle control, it didn't take him long to figure out which was more important. Most importantly, don't get offended when someone tries to give you some driving pointers, we were all rookies once. Or as my son puts it " experience is what you get from being inexperienced". Good luck, and sincerely welcome to dirt track racing.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted March 22, 2005 08:47 PM  
Welcome to dirt racin'! It looks so eay from the grandstands...but strap in and fire up and it's a whole different animal.
You'll see a lot of discussion about forward bite on this forum. There are things that can be done to the car to increase that forward bite, but as has been said, it has a lot to do with your driving.
Ask one of the top dogs in your division to hot lap your car and give you some set up help. It's been my experience that most every top gun I have known is willing (and glad) to help a newbie. It makes for better racing and less repair work on everyones ride if the new guy can control his car.
Remember that it's a hobby and you are out there doing it for fun. There are a dozen or so guys wishing they could be out there for every one that is! Good luck!!!!

Steve Dupree
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 316
posted March 23, 2005 04:10 PM  
Yes we had the same proplem when we started i thought if i could quit spinning i would get these guys with no problem............lol Well we have lightened the car and rear % are not the best but it hardly ever spins anymore you almost think you lost power. But all that has happened is you are getting better with the lead foot. When we added weight are car pushed like a big dog and we tried all kinds of things but now that we are just getting lighter and work on driving skills and air preasure along with roll out the car hardly ever spins. I wish i had more motor sometimes i come in and wonder did i give it full throttle in that straight or what you just get use to driving and getting that foot under control.

bigdozer
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 54
posted March 23, 2005 07:59 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by rogracer2:
Still relatively new at dirt track racing - what are the most common ways to help reduce your back tires from spinning so much when you come off the corners? It seems like everyone else is passing me off the corner while I'm still spinning my tires!

are you running stanard or power glide (stanard take another gear and stay on the high side, power glide set up a different rear end and drop a gear ratio both are going to drop rpms but will teach you how to use that trottle, big gear heavy foot bad,low gear heavy foot better its all in the foot your not drag racing any more

rogracer2
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 119
posted March 23, 2005 08:11 PM  
I'm running an automatic transmission - T350 in first gear-not a powerglide.

For tires, I run 275/60R15 on the right side, and 255/60R15 tires on the left. From what I've been reading, this is a big difference (85 to 90 inch rollout), but the car seems to handle good with this much of a difference.

By the way, the track is a 1/4 mile with a little banking.

nailngoracing
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 170
posted March 24, 2005 02:47 PM  
too much power!!!

Pigpen
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 141
posted March 25, 2005 06:13 AM  
Well if you are running china...then that is the same roll out I use there...on the tire spin issue, well what everone said is right...the only thing I can add...is that track is a paperclip, I would just keep adding rear weight (evenly) till you cant turn anymore... then if you still cant come of the turns(and you are rolling into the gas) then I would move more weight closer to the rr and add more weight..not real technical, but at that odd shaped track it works...AJ

[This message has been edited by Pigpen (edited March 25, 2005).]

rogracer2
Dirt Maniac

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posted March 25, 2005 06:37 AM  
Thanks, AJ - Yes I still run China. Last year someone at the track told me to take out the extra weight in the rear - I think I had around 150 lb back there. It was all stacked over the LR. You think I should put it back - but space it evenly over the LR and RR?

dm3
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted March 26, 2005 09:14 AM  
Before you change anything on your car, take eljojo's advice and have one of the top drivers at your track hot lap your car. It may well be the car, but it might not be - you need to know. It took years for my son to realize that the only thing keeping his car from winning was him. He took one season and focussed purely on his driving, and now he's considered one of the top drivers in his class. He said the three things he focussed on were: 1) being smooth, both with the wheel and the gas, 2) working traffic. and 3) staying focussed, not letting the other drivers rattle him. I don't want to seem like picking on your driving because your new, but me and my son wasted a lot of time and money and don't want you to make the same mistake.

petordragon
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 167
posted March 27, 2005 08:32 AM  
hard to believe that anyone would think that racing with their son winning or not would be wasting their time.

dm3
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted March 28, 2005 12:58 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by petordragon:
hard to believe that anyone would think that racing with their son winning or not would be wasting their time.

You know what I meant. Love the time spent with my son. I could have done without the frustration. Wish we would have had this forum fifteen years ago. Looking back, if it had been easy it probably wouldn't have meant as much.

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te33
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 237
posted March 28, 2005 09:22 PM  
i think you might want to take a little stagger out.it will tighten you up a little in and a lot off,i belive you said you had 5 inchs?try 3,it is as easy as changing a tire,if it was to tight you could come in under a yellow,and change back.quick and easy!

outlaw#03
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 25
posted April 04, 2005 11:14 AM  
AJ is right that track is a paper clip and HARD to get a handle on (I still haven't). Adding rear weight will fix the symptom but adjusting the "nut" between the steering wheel and seat will solve the problem, but that's the hardest part of the car to adjust.
Good luck Remember if you can be fast on that flat paper clip you'll be fast anywhere.

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