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petordragon
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Total posts: 167
posted January 20, 2005 06:43 PM  
I'm looking to build a new bomber or possibly pure stock and start racing. Thinking mid 80's grand prix, montey or simmilar car or would a coil spring car be better? All input would be appreciated

MetricMonte
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Total posts: 111
posted January 20, 2005 06:50 PM  
78-87 Monte Carlos and equivalent are coil spring cars and are a popular car for racing. Whatever dollar figure you have in mind to spend, multiply that by ATLEAST 3 and that will be a more realistic figure.

petordragon
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Total posts: 167
posted January 20, 2005 06:56 PM  
I'm guessing around $3000 with me doing the work not counting the price of car motor or tranny is this in the ballpark?

MetricMonte
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posted January 20, 2005 07:20 PM  
Its hard to tell, depends on many things. But everyone I have talked to has spent about 3 times the amount they first intended to spend. Thats only on the building, not the maintaining which I havent got to myself yet...

redneck racing
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posted January 20, 2005 07:46 PM  
Seems like if you want to run up front you need to spend the money to keep up with the big boys. Eddie

petordragon
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posted January 20, 2005 07:47 PM  
I am also looking at a firebird mid 80's would it be worth the extra work of sub frame connecting to get lift bar that goes to back of tranny on them cars. I've never seen one of the cars run dirt is there a reason for this?

doubletrouble racing
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 88
posted January 20, 2005 09:47 PM  
We built a 79 Pontiac Grand Prix from Scratch.Pure Stock car cost about 3500 to get on track and thats with the motor that came in the car all we did was replace cam,lifters valve covers,and distrubor.After 3 races replace transmission....then spun bareings..then..then..then

Take your time building it...go through entire car real good:wheel bareings,brakes,brake and fuel lines,transmission cooler.........................................................................................
I THINK THE NEXT TIME I WILL JUST FIND ONE RACE READY!!!!

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hobby10k
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 226
posted January 21, 2005 12:08 AM  
Yea you haft to spend the big bucks to run with the big dawgs, but when you are first getting into racing you should focus on building a strong reliable car, and get some seat time. Then work on runing with up front.
You cant be a pro over night

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racer17j
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posted January 21, 2005 03:40 PM  
third gen camaros and firebirds are no good on dirt, the strut towers are too weak. you'll be lucky if they dont rip out after one season. to much front end weight to brace them propperly.

crc1124
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 143
posted January 21, 2005 07:45 PM  
If you can see if there is someone at the track you can help out. Its a good way to get some kind of idea what you are getting into. No matter how strong you build it, how much you double check it, something always comes up that you haven't planned on. I helped a guy out for 3 years. We built his car from scratch. What we thought would take a few months took a year and a half to build. So when I was ready to drive I bought a rolling chassis and saved myself alot of headache.

petordragon
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posted January 21, 2005 08:22 PM  
Thanks for all the info so far. looks as if I might be on the look out for a rolling chassis in the south west missouri area.

MetricMonte
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posted January 22, 2005 08:21 AM  
Got my start by helping a guy with his car all last year, it really helps you IMO when it comes time to do your own car and what to expect when building and maintaining it.

hap61
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 11
posted January 23, 2005 04:17 PM  
Bought a 78 nova from local junkyard,
Giving myself 6 mos. to complete.
That was sept. 02.
Drove the car for the first time yesterday
@ first day of practice.
It was a great learning experience BUT,spent
5 times what i thought i would, still need spare parts, and it is going to be a sad day when it gets bent (it's gonna happen) cause
it looks so good and we worked so hard..

BUY A ROLLER!!!!!!!!!!!

te33
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 237
posted January 23, 2005 07:56 PM  
the 3rd gen camaros are wicked fast on dirt,never had any problems with the strut towers.that being said,do not build one for your first car.they are really picky on set-up,and are not durable.they are disposible.i would not recomend a 2nd gen camaro for a first car to build .while they are easy to make fast,and the set-up is pretty straight foward.building a safe uni-body car is job for the more seasoned builder.build the metric car,the are easy to make fast,and safe .plus they will take a heck of a shot,and keep on racing.good luck,i hope you have a bout 3 times the $ that you think you need,the other fellas are 100% correct about that!

Stevei2i0
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 54
posted January 24, 2005 11:54 AM  
I bought a Buick Regal roller off Ebay, for $500, then ordered a 350 short block from Blaine's Motor Supply at $454, add a cam and lifters from Rhoads for $250, suit, helmet, shoes, gloves, carb, intake all from Ebay.Now if I can get it all together maybe I can race!!!Can mail pics if interested.

te33
Dirt Freak

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posted January 24, 2005 07:04 PM  
ebay rules!we got 3 beadlocks there this winter,brand new,less than half price!

petordragon
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posted January 25, 2005 05:48 PM  
still looking for pure stock car any help would b appreciated.

Eric Pattridge
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 48
posted January 29, 2005 11:10 AM  
Ya'll are right on the money on the Ebay talk!! That is what keeps me racing. I have sold stuff around the house we dont or wont use anymore on Ebay. Turn right around and buy some stuff for the race car on Ebay. It's a win win situation. Cleaning out the house (wife is happy), make money (we are both happy), to buy stuff for race car (I'm happy). Dont need to use regular income for parts. One day we will run out of stuff to sell though, but the mother in law has a lot of stuff to get rid of. I've bought valve covers, dist, wires, wheels, auto paint, valve springs, helmet,just to name a few. Ebay is good.

Eric Pattridge
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 48
posted January 29, 2005 11:20 AM  
Another thing about Ebay. If you are replacing something on car, or new helmet, belts, window net, firesuit, etc. list the old one on Ebay if you dont need it. If it is still in good shape it might sell. May not get a whole lot, but every little bit helps. People just getting into racing can get it cheaper and might buy it. I have to replace my belts this year (over 3 yrs old cant use). I will be listing my old 5 point harness soon. Still in good shape.

racin78p
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 333
posted January 29, 2005 04:11 PM  
I come back to this post once in awhile and I have to laugh. Not at you guys but ME!!! I have been around circle track racing for around 7 years. Racin in any form for about 31 years. Unless you include the time when I was two and my dad snuck me into his 40' willeys and I ran my first 1/4 mile drag run (my mom and the track officials about KILLED him, but that's dad! Hey, we ran a 9.10 et!!!) Anyway, I started building my first circle track (Factory Stock) in 03'. I got the tax rebate check from the Government in July and bought what I thought was a true roller. Even with experience in knowing what to look for, although I didn't get burnt, I DID have to spend three times the money to get the car race ready. Problem is I'm a perfectionist, and so we ended up stripping the whole car down to nothing and rebuilding it all. I had a BLAST doing it, enjoyed the arguments that my race buddies and partner and I got into, and am very proud of the car that came out of it all. I am repairing the car for this coming season (you bet they don't stay pretty very long) and will give 'er heck, BUT!!! next year I will buy a built rollng chassis from? It is a time thing that I don't have anymore. Too many kids, too many responsibilities, ect.

Petrodragon, my advise is to look into a roller, have a VERY knowledgable friend help you select a car (GM metric can be easier to set up depending on where you plan to race, sometimes Nova's and Camaro's are better), offer half of what the person wants for the roller and go from there. You will still probably end up spending three times the money before you actually race, but you WILL be better in the long run. Good luck to all this season and be SAFE!!! Race on.

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if it ain't fun, then don't run

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petordragon
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 167
posted January 30, 2005 10:39 PM  
tnx everyone for the help and the information. bought the car from snowman basicly ready to go won't be the fastest with the 305 but somthing to get started with. And half the fun is making your car faster so their is still plenty of fun ahead of us looking forward to a fun 2005 season.

petordragon
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 167
posted February 08, 2005 07:25 PM  
getting car back into shape now fixing to paint will put some pics up when finished. Looking for some 8" wide wheels and 60 series tires.

racer17j
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posted February 08, 2005 07:36 PM  
I don't feel bad about it will just have to out drive most to run with the higher hp and that should be a piece of cake bieng a rookie lol

petordragon
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posted February 09, 2005 10:41 AM  
New question is backspacing the measure of amount of wheel inside the center? Example 8" wheel 3" af backspacing mean 3" of wheel inside center and 5"outside. I oviously need this clarified before buying any wheels.

racer17j
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posted February 09, 2005 03:35 PM  
k tnx for the clarification. how about shocks is it better to run different shock rates on different axles or is it more of a track condition adjustment?

racer17j
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posted February 11, 2005 07:46 PM  
What are some psi suggestions. Which tire do I need to run more air or same all the way around?

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racer17j
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Total posts: 5390
posted February 17, 2005 03:45 PM  
60 70 series dot tires only
no racing dot tires
8" maximum wheel
don't have any tubes in them
no bead locks

[This message has been edited by petordragon (edited February 20, 2005).]

racer17j
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Total posts: 5390
posted February 20, 2005 07:07 PM  
Wow,thats alot of air in tires...

We run tubes no bead locks 12.5 #fr 11#rr 10#lr 11#fl

Never had one come off rim,did have someone step on valve stems in the pit and leaked down in feature before going flat

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racer17j
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Total posts: 5390
posted February 20, 2005 09:02 PM  
more #'s in front than rear more #'s right side?

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7cracing
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 32
posted February 25, 2005 11:50 PM  
Man I must be way off. I run 255/60/15 and 235/70 with tubes and I have been running 32 on the fronts 24lr and 28rr. 3600lb Monte on a high banked 1/4 with a 2.43 posi. what kind of pressure should I be looking at?

trynmods
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 53
posted February 26, 2005 02:59 PM  
I run just about the same pressures that racer17j posted on D.O.T. tires, the car weighs 3500 lbs. and hooks up well for me.

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