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kbrotha13
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posted October 03, 2003 09:35 AM  
I just bought a pure stock racing car that was raced last year, and was wondering was process do you guys do to painting your new car? Do you ask your local paint shops if they will do it for you and then you will put their name on your car or do you buy a spray gun and do it yourself? What are some good guns for a reasonable price also?

racer17j
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posted October 03, 2003 02:50 PM  
Ive got a buddie who paints his with a roller. Eddie

flanndad#17
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posted October 03, 2003 07:49 PM  
Those little 3 or 4 inch roller's work good.
No overspray, to get yell at for.

I go for a 50/50 paint job.
Does it look good at 50 mph, and 50 foot away.

Why spend extra money here.....

racer17j
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posted October 04, 2003 08:41 AM  
We spray painted the inside of car and underneath (black looks stock) A friend of ours is a painter contractor he sprayed the car and we put is name on the car

loojack
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posted October 04, 2003 12:02 PM  
Paint the rollcage and interior with spray cans in the color of your choice, go to TSC and get a gallon of tractor enamel, pick up a can of hardner. Use a foam roller. Cost about $50. Take your time, prep the surface and you'll end up with a good 50/50 paint job.(Looks good going 50mph at 50ft)...loojack

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M1
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posted October 04, 2003 02:17 PM  

 
Tractor enamel....
I painted mine this year with $4 a quart paint, and a "wagner power painter".

Painted all the cage tubes with a rattle can, and used rolled plastic to covered up the really ugly spot of the car.

redneck bubbas racing
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posted October 05, 2003 11:00 PM  
That car looks darn good M1

kbrotha13
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posted October 06, 2003 09:07 AM  
Thanks for the help guys, and M1 good looking car!


kbrotha13
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posted October 06, 2003 09:19 AM  
M1, I see that your from Hibbing?! Its a small world I guess... I am from Cloquet, and next year I will be racing in Proctor, and will hopefully make my way to Ashland a few times!


Thanks,
Rick

The Outlaw
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posted October 06, 2003 10:42 AM  

 
Went to Porter Paint and bought equipment enamel, 50 bucks worth of paint, then clear coated it!

M1
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posted October 06, 2003 03:31 PM  
KBrotha13

I actually have that car forsale right now. It sure dont look like that anyomore! It really is $4 a quart paint, and it took about 3/4 quart of ford blue (I call it chevron blue, hehe) and almost 2 quarts of white. I bought it at a localhardware store, and its "dura shield" brand. They might have that available in duluth at trye value. Its cheep durable stuff, and shines really nice. Just thin it out really good and use a couple coats with the lighter stuff. Or take a trip down to Arrowhead paint and talk to Nick Lavato, he is a great guy, and he might be able to tell you more, and maybe help you out in that area. His car was SWEET this year!!!

I am building a new car for next year, and its going to comply with proctors rules, so I plan on comming down once, or twice. Good luck with the project, feel free to email me if you need anyhting. Im new to racing myself, and I enjoy helping people when I can.

Thanks for the comments on the car guys! Its hard to tell, but at the time I had about $1100 TOTAL into the car!! It went WAY up after the season started....

kbrotha13
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posted October 06, 2003 04:03 PM  
M1,
I guess were on the same page huh!? About a week ago, I bought Nicks car.. It sure is nice and its a little dinged up on the passenger side door, but not to bad. I wish I could keep the paint job thats on there right now but I got my own that I am going to do. Do you know where I could start looking for some doors and stuff if I wanna skin the car? I know the junkyard is a good place to look but do you think they would want to much for them?

Thanks,
Rick

M1
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posted October 06, 2003 07:06 PM  
try a junkyard first. They areusually really good about selling that "undesirable" stuff for pretty cheep. Dont get really picky about rust and stuff, its easy to hide SOME if you use that rolled plastic. A really good door is going to be hard to find in this neck of the woods. Good choice on the car to buy...you have ONE **** good car! call around to see what kind of stuff is available for your style of car. (monte right?) I went to the junk yard once with a cordless sawzall, and cut the door skin off right there, and they didnt charge a thing, because it was only junk anyway, and was just "weight". Follow me there?

Good luck, and keep 1977-1980 buick regal in mind. I CANT find one!

ryan
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posted October 06, 2003 09:07 PM  
Outlaw what kind of equiptment has purple or silver colors. I am looking for different colors than the normal tractor colors.

Hutch5375
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posted October 06, 2003 09:32 PM  
They make an aluminum tractor paint it's pretty runny so use some hardener.

The Outlaw
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posted October 06, 2003 10:24 PM  
Porter Paints does, also Sherwin-Williams also does, if they dont have the color you like off of the card stocks, they will custom mix them to your liking!

harome1xc
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posted October 07, 2003 12:57 AM  
rookie question...I just cant help to ask, why try to get a really nice set of body pannels and paint them when you could get a little bump at any time? It seems like as long as the skin stays in place and gos from one side of the door to the other, why bother replacing it? Is it just because you want it too look nice or are they that bad?

rico 08
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posted October 07, 2003 07:22 AM  
On my first car i spent the off season putting on new sheet metal,shimming and getting everything perfect only to have it destroyed in the first race,so i see your point.

kbrotha13
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posted October 07, 2003 01:15 PM  
When you guys are sanding off the car, after that process do you prime it and then start painting or sand and then just start painting? I know that some people said that after you sand it that you should wipe it down with thinner.
Thanks,
Rick

loojack
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posted October 07, 2003 06:00 PM  
As long as you don't sand the old paint off, just wipe down and paint. One thing to remember the final paint job will only be as good as the prep. Things like big rust spots should be sanded and patched, even if they don't go all the way through. Pin stripes and where the logos were on fenders and such will show if not sanded well.. Have fun!!...loojack

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Deak-Jr
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posted October 08, 2003 02:41 PM  

 
Tractor paint is a great option.

Here's a pic. Car was stock maroon. Scuffed it, degreased it (came from the boneyard), mixed two parts white tractor paint and one part Ford blue paint, added some hardener. Brush painted the whole car. Primered the cage, and primered only body spots that were patched or pounded out and lost stock paint.

Got the vinyl off a signage shop that had extra scrap, printed the letters on paper, taped it over the vinyl and X-Acto knifed the lettering. Number is painted.

I'd be shocked if I have any more than $75 in the paint/lettering.

(Is the picture attachment working? First timer ....)

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M1
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posted October 08, 2003 04:23 PM  
HEY...good job.

Your a bigger skimper then me. Im impressed!!!

racer17j
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posted October 08, 2003 04:50 PM  
Lol, well that answers my question, thats a little different perspective than i was thinking from.

Whitelightning
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posted October 09, 2003 01:56 PM  

 
This was done recently with lowes oil base Industrial paint @ 22 dollars a gallon and color choice is unlimited. I just added a little automotive paint thinner to speed up dry time. I have since added red to the bottom and put another coat on the hood cause I did not prep the hood that came off another car and had some surface rust, I sanded it but should have sanded longer but hey Its a race car, but I put another coat on the hood cause has you see in the pic its lighter on the hood so now it looks great. Sprayed the inside black with oil base rustolem it turned out great to but the dry time is longer with the rustolem for some reason. I will post the compleete product soon

rico 08
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posted October 09, 2003 06:27 PM  
What type thinner did you use,mine took two days to dry.

racer17j
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posted October 09, 2003 08:36 PM  
Go to napa and get some thinner I can't remember the number but I think its meduim reducer enamel thinner or something like that. We wait an hour or so to put the next coat on and wait till the next day to mask over.

ryan
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posted October 09, 2003 09:32 PM  
Gloss white, massey red and ford blue about a $75 paint job.

Deak-Jr
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posted October 10, 2003 07:52 AM  

 
Whitelightnin:

Looks good. The only thing I wouldn't have done was painted the interior and cage a dark color. Lighter color paints make it easier to see problems (cracked welds primarily).

And take a lot of pictures while the panels are straight. Because it'll look like the attached pic before too long ....

;-)


Whitelightning
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posted October 10, 2003 12:31 PM  

 
I used Nason automotive paint thinner in a green can if that helps any. Also u are right about the dark color I should have taken that into consideration before painting. Deak that car is nice compared to my old car in the end. My old car did not have a single scatch or flaw in it but three seasons later it was history, it was fixed after this pic in about a week and went out and goy in same type accident where I got sandwhiched and totaled the whole car out, shortend the front and rear about 2 foot . But during those 3 seasons It has seen fenders, hoods,complete rear fom doors back heheh, but it was a fun and a good car for a while.

RACER19S
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posted October 10, 2003 04:40 PM  
Here is a pic of Kbrotha's new ride. Paint was 20$ a gallon Industrial Enamel. I built this car from the ground up and raced the 03 season on it.
Nick19

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RACER19S
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posted October 10, 2003 05:01 PM  
Guess not, Can anyone tell me how to attach a picture to my message? thanks in advance
Nick19

M1
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posted October 10, 2003 06:39 PM  

 
Right under your user name and password in thw reply window, there is a "attachment" spot. Easy to do, just hit upload, and find the one you want, and VIOLA!


This is the only one i have Nick...

Nice HUH guys!!!!!!

Later...
Ande

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kbrotha13
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posted October 10, 2003 07:24 PM  
yah M1 I have that pic on the background of my puter! (she sure is sweet) Nick sure did do good last year, in my book he won the points championship. If I do half of what he did Ill be happy!

Rick

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M1
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posted October 10, 2003 08:55 PM  
I seen the car this spring at the "powers car show", and thought he was crazy for having so much into the paint job. I didnt know he did it himself, because hardly anyone does anymore. If I had the time, money, and "give a ****" I would do an all out job like him. That picture does the car NO JUSTIC, and it is the nicest purestock i have ever seen. Its a fast car, if you dont do well with it, (I hate to say it) its NOT the car. Good luck...its gonna be a LONG winter with that one in the garage!

kbrotha13
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posted October 11, 2003 09:35 AM  
M1,
Oh yah I already realize that.. Its gonna be my first year this year racing at Proctor and last year I raced at Barnum in Spring fever days, and then the Carlton County Fair. In the oval during the fair I won my heat and placed 4th in the feature. In the Figure 8 I didnt do so good due to some "unfortunate" reasons. Last year I raced a 76 Monte Carlo, with a 400 small block it, and it goes really good on that small track. I will be racing again this year too. There were guys from Proctor there and they didnt even finish in the top. Josh Loucks was the only one that placed in the top there. I was going pretty good and I couldnt catch him no-way, no-how! This is my first year so if I make throughtout the year without banging the car up really bad I will be happy! I watched Nick a couple times last year and at times it wasnt even a contest, that car fits him really good and hopefully it does as well for me!

Thanks,
Rick

Thanks,
Rick

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RACER19S
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posted October 11, 2003 01:36 PM  

 
One more Try, here goes. Ande shoot me an e-mail ive got an idea for ya.
Nick19

RACER19S
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posted October 11, 2003 01:40 PM  
Ande how do I shrink the file size to make the 100kb max. It says my file is 647 or somthing? Thanks in advance again.
Nick19

ryan
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posted October 11, 2003 03:55 PM  
try shrinking the size down in a paint program and make sure its saved to a jpg. type file

M1
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posted October 11, 2003 05:31 PM  
racer19s.....you have mail!

RACER19S
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posted October 11, 2003 10:33 PM  

 
One more try. Not the best at this computer stuff, thanks RYAN for pointing me in the right direction. As said before 20$ a gallon Industrial Enamel(Check the drivers door). I work at that paint shop so making the colors wanted and doing any design was pretty easy. Alot of people thought I was nuts for putting that much time into a "Pure Stock" but the responce from potential sponsors was great and I tripled the money I originally got from existing sponsors. I built that car from the frame up, 87 monte SS ,sandblasted and painted everything and I mean EVERYTHING. I originally wanted to put the car in the "world of wheels" an Arena type expo, but that was cancelled and I thought I had wasted alot of time. I put it in some smaller shows and parked it at sponsors shops and the response was awesome. Alot of people jumped on board once they saw it, My wasted time turned into $$$$$! Not to mention taking the time and getting all of the suspension freed up of rust and other binds, I won 9 of 14 features on the season. Put some extra time into the finished product(you dont have to spend alot of money)The results will be worth it.
Nick19

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ryan
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posted October 12, 2003 12:28 AM  

 
I found a bunch of better colors at sherwin williams gonna change the scheme around.
By the way thats racer19's car just was curious if could make it work that way learn somethin new everyday.

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teamstertom
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posted October 12, 2003 09:19 AM  
The biggest promoter of your racing operation is the COLOR of your car. A dull colored car just doesn't get the attention that a bright multi colored car gets. Budget minded racers find options to getting their paint and paint supplies. There are no dumb questions when it comes to racing,so go to your local paint store,automotive or industrial,and ask what returns or wrongly mixed colors they may have for a deal. They might even trade you the paint for a spot on the quarter panel. Free supplies are CASH in the bank...or racing operation.
Use your friend,buddy,the kid next store,or even the wife about what scheme appeals to them. Race cars that stand out are the cars fans and sponsors remember. You can have a multi colored race car,but yet with a simple design,so when that Saturday night wreck is repaired,touch up on the paint can be a breeeze.
One item that I will mention is a story about a local racer from around the Milwaukee area from about 10 years ago. The Saturday morning of racenight,he proudly sprayed his brand new dirt Late Model with Imron paint. Brought out the car,had a very successful night of racing,including the feature win in the Late Model class. As he went to party with the crew,he fell dead of a heart attack. The leading factor of that heart attack was pin pointed back to the non use of proper PPE(proper personal equipment). He did not use any paint mask to protect his lungs from the paint vapors that coated his lungs. He left a young wife and kids.... BE SMART....being macho by spraying paint without proper protection is deadly.....even outside in the driveway or field.

M1
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posted October 12, 2003 09:48 AM  
As an idustrial painter for two year. I will second his encouragment to use PPE whenever painting. There is some nasty suff in paint that can do some super serious damage!

RACER19S
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posted October 12, 2003 01:23 PM  
Sherwin Williams? Ryan your killin me. And that WAS my car, sold her to Kbrotha13. The pursuit of speed has me moving up a class or two.
Nick19

ryan
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posted October 12, 2003 10:18 PM  
They have the same type of enamel as my usual implement paint but they can mix hundreds of different colors opposed to my usual 8-10. Plus I'm gonna hit them up for sponsorship while I'm there

RACER19S
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posted October 13, 2003 11:21 AM  
Ryan good idea, hopefully things work out for ya. What part of the country are you located anyway?
Nick19

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