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Author Topic:   camaro or monte carlo?
One87Racing
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Total posts: 68
posted October 08, 2002 10:19 PM  
I'm looking to build a new car for next season. It will be a stock class (no suspension mods, stock engine, limited gearing, street type tires). I'm considering a 78-81 camaro or a 78 up metric body. I'm new to the chevy scene and could use some pros and cons about each. I've heard the camaro would be the better route due to engine placement, but I really don't know a whole lot about either except they have a better suspension setup than the ford I was running. Any help would be appreciated.

tyfyter
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Total posts: 19
posted October 08, 2002 10:53 PM  
For me, It comes down to the rear suspension between the two cars (coil or leaf). On a coil spring suspension, it's easy to change springs and get different spring rates. It's not as easy in a Leaf Spring car. A coil spring car like the Metrics have a 4 link suspension. If and when you get hit in the rear and bend your rear frame horns, it won't affect the handeling as much in a metric as it does in a leaf car. If you bend the rear frame horns on a leaf car, then your leaf springs are on a bind and it's a real mess. You'll have to straighten your frame before your leaf springs will operate correctly. However, a lot of people feel that leaf spring offer better bite off of the corners because they flex more than the 4 link suspenstion in a metric. Just some things for you to consider.

racer17j
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posted October 09, 2002 12:14 AM  
I've ran both. The last car I had was a metric malibu, the one I'm building now is a Camaro. IMHO The Camaro will out-handle a Metric because of the front end geometry and because of the wrap up allowed by the leaf spring rears. I'm talkking about in near stock form.
The drawbacks are The Camaro's are getting scarce-new body parts are getting pricy and hard to find. Their rear frame sections are unibody which means they are part of the body. Get one into the wall backwards and you've got a mess.
The downside to the metrics are that they have to be run with a higher frame height oor the front end goes outawhack. The rear doesn't give an i ota so they are prone to being "loose" under power. BUT They are full frame-makes them easy to repair and there are a blue million of them in the salvage yards.
Let us know what you decide!

madmodshoe
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Total posts: 195
posted October 10, 2002 07:03 PM  
it all depends on the rules you have at your track(s). Are you allowed weight jacks? Do you have a weight rule? How hard do you want to work to win?
The camaro has far better front end geometry in stock form. The metric geometry can be made better, but not without alot of blood, sweat, and tears. The camaro has a higher grief factor because you have to always keep the weight of the car off of the springs.
I personally believe that leaf cars are better than than metrics. If you were allowed a panhard bar and weight jacks in the metric then all bets would be on the metric. What cha gonna do?

One87Racing
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Total posts: 68
posted October 10, 2002 10:32 PM  
My class is a stock class. suspension must remain factory but can be adjusted to it's limitations, no weight jacks, no coil overs, no posi, limited compression, cam, and 2 bbl carb, 4.11 max gear, no engine setback, you get the picture. I found a camaro shell i'm going to go look at this weekend. thanks for the info.

One87Racing
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posted October 14, 2002 12:09 AM  
I picked up a firebird body 78 i think it is this weekend. any suspension tips i should know before i get started? I can build a good engine (have lots of proof) so i'm not worried about the power. p/s and p/b are good to keep? what about factory springs, should I at least upgrade the RF? my goal is top 10 in points this year and any help getting there is greatly appreciated!!

madmodshoe
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Total posts: 195
posted October 17, 2002 12:23 AM  
I would definitelty consider upgrading the springs all the way around. rf-1250 lf-1150
or somewhere in that niehborhood. New leafs on the rear from Landrum are the only way to go! If you check their app. guide it will give you the #'s for your weight car. Alco consider the upgrade to quality racing shocks. Bilstien makes the best, bar none! If you can afford it I always liked to start out with new steering stuff. They really are not that exp. at the local parts house( get the generic brand, you'll bend them before you wear them out). That way you will have spares (the factory ones that you took off). Hope that helps.

URDUSTED
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Total posts: 43
posted October 21, 2002 11:23 AM  
187- you are the blue Furd that ran at RFR correct? Just my opinion, it seems the metrics are working really well over there. And to the benefit of it being a full frame car, its wheel base is more widely legal in Northern Nevada. Seat time at other tracks helps get set-up qwirks out of your car. Also, in the rules, the firebird/camaros could be made illegal next year.

One87Racing
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posted October 21, 2002 11:49 PM  
Yep that's me. got tired of getting killed thru the corners with that ford. As far as the legality of the car next year, it's a go. I work for techdude so I get any pertinent info like that right after he does. Besides, Danyale is going to be in a camaro next year so it's good for at least one season!! A lot of people I've talked to say the camaro/firebird body is the way to go over the metrics so i'm gonna give it a shot. If i end up in the wall as many times as I did last season i'll be building a new one anyway for 2004. Maybe then i'll try the metric! Thanks!

hoosier_baby_3D
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posted October 31, 2002 08:58 PM  
For me, the deciding factor would be what kind of dirt the track is made of and how it is set up. I don't know much about which would be easier in having to change the motors and stuff because we have always ran a camaro. Also for your suspention, that would also depend on the track and what you would feel comfortable with.

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uforacing51
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Total posts: 570
posted November 04, 2002 12:51 PM  
what are the fast cars at your track running?

One87Racing
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Total posts: 68
posted November 04, 2002 08:17 PM  
MOSTLY METRICS, AS THE TRACK WAS GOING TO MAKE THE F BODIES ILLEGAL NEXT YEAR. THEY DIDN'T SO I'M GOING TO RUN ONE. THERE WERE 2 F BODIES RUNNING LAST YEAR, ONE WAS FAST, THE OTHER NOT SO MUCH, JUST THINK HE WAS A FIRST TIMER LIKE MYSELF.

AUS RACING
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Total posts: 28
posted December 09, 2002 04:53 AM  
anyone tried using different rate bushes on the left & right side rear arms on a 4-link.
On our home track here in AUS we run the softest bushes we can buy on the right rear arms to get the diff to rear steer a little.This tightens the car up when you power on out of the turns.

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