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juni
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posted November 30, 2005 08:20 AM  
Imca has picked up three new tracks for their mod . But here is the strange deal, these tracks will be aloud to run dart blocks, alum. heads , roller cams for one year then they have to have the same as every one else in 07. This is all good until you find out that they are racing for national points also. How can they do this ? It don't seem fair to the rest of IMCA racers . The tracks are less then 90 miles apart and race fri ,satand sun. nights so they have a good chance at winning some points . LEE COUNTY IO. / 34RACEWAY IO. / QUINCY RACEWAYS . IL What do you all think about this deal is it fair or not .I think IMCA is a good deal usally but I think they stepped in a hole on this one .

rrrrick
Dirt Freak

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posted November 30, 2005 08:50 AM  
Well.. here is your chance to go swap your's for theirs. Of course, theirs might only be legal at those three tracks

duece
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 30, 2005 05:30 PM  
That doesn't seem right. Up her in north iowa/southern mn. there were a total of 3 racks that switched back to imca after bein open for a 3 or 4 years i think. We had to build new motors,why shouldn't they? You think they would exchange?

PEwaste
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 30, 2005 05:40 PM  
It's not fair at all. Everyone in the Mason City area had to switch, with no time to use up there old stuff.

It's just like there "You'll have all year to use up your American Racers"... BS

de94wcc
Dirt Forum Racer

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posted November 30, 2005 06:40 PM  
Some of us in the Mason City area never had to switch. We always run junk motors!

racer17j
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posted December 01, 2005 09:01 PM  
I think it's the promoters choice to ask for a blend year to get everyone legal. As long as they are racing their local track where everyone is racing against similar stuff I don't see the big deal. Obviously they can't go to another track and race yet with a Dart block or aluminum heads.

dirtrace54
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posted December 03, 2005 10:37 PM  
the open motor rules applies to anyone running those tracks in 2006. I know 34 is super tight competition. The other two are pretty tight too. I garantee there wont be any cars making drastic national points at those tracks due to the competition involved. And as of last year, if i remember right, the cars with aluminum heads had to bolt 50lbs at the mid plate. I dont think it will be a big deal. I think the reason for the phase in was because these tracks are on the UMP western border with a few USRA tracks around them and they didnt want to loose a ton of cars over drastic rule changes not released until december when guys already are having cars close to completion.
Hope i didnt offend anyone. JMO

duece
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posted December 04, 2005 10:02 AM  
If they were afraid of losing cars because of surrounding tracks/sanctions maybe they should of though there decision through a lil better??The point is that last year in north iowa many had to change their motor programs to accomadate the imca rules. It shouldnt be any different with this situation.
Are they phasing in the claim rules then to? Panhard bar rule? Tire rule?????

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roger rabbit
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posted December 04, 2005 10:37 AM  
rules are rules, if there bent for some what good are they to anyone? imca obviously would bend rules if it meens more lining for there pockets. i say, nail this one in the **** ,, or it will spread like wildfire, hurting our sport.

dirtrace54
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posted December 04, 2005 10:44 AM  
engine rule and aluminum roof (aluminum is cheaper so i dont know why they wont allow it) rules are only two being phased in. and like i said, there is a wieght penalty for running the more open motor. aluminum heads are approxiamately 44 lbs lighter than cast. adding 50 lbs to the mid plate conteracts that deal pretty well. since aluminum and aftermarket cast heads can be of same design, there is no horsepower gain. there is no clear advantage. since ANYONE deciding to run there can follow suit. and they (IMCA) have done this many times in the past without any problems.

racer17j
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posted December 04, 2005 11:09 AM  
the rules at least at quincy give a year to change motor, alu. bellhousing ,panhard bar ,roof and 50lbs in front of motor plate for roller and alu. head but they still fall under claim rule. you need to drive down from nw iowa about aug. and claim you a open motor for 550.00. some of us will be running legal imca so look under some hoods before you claim case you dont want mine.

de94wcc
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posted December 04, 2005 03:14 PM  
If you really want to know why they don't allow aluminum roofs, call Performance Bodies. They probably have thousands in stock and put some pressure on IMCA to hold off on the rule change until they can get rid of the inventory. It's all about the cashola. Same with the supposed engine rules.

dirtrace54
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posted December 04, 2005 06:28 PM  
if they think skyrocket is gonna walk in and make big points, someone has bad thinking. i dont think any of these tracks had a mod championship tied up until the last race. and i know alot of one feature winners

chas28
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posted December 05, 2005 04:29 PM  
MORE NEWS TODAY THEY CAN RUN ALU BELLHOUSINGS AND REAR MOUNT PUMPS. AND IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM A ALU. HEAD MOTOR YOU MUST BE RUNNING A ALU. HEAD MOTOR. SO IT IS LIKE UMP MOTORS IN IMCA .

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ump_outlaw
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posted December 05, 2005 09:06 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by chas28:
MORE NEWS TODAY THEY CAN RUN ALU BELLHOUSINGS AND REAR MOUNT PUMPS. AND IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM A ALU. HEAD MOTOR YOU MUST BE RUNNING A ALU. HEAD MOTOR. SO IT IS LIKE UMP MOTORS IN IMCA .

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i think its a bunch of bs that these tracks get to wait a year to phase in the imca rules when the tracks are imca for 2006.we ran 4 tracks last year that were open tracks here in north iowa and when the tracks went imca we didnt have a choice but to buy all new motors and parts to make our car legal for imca.i think its a bunch of bs that they get special treatment.and as far as drivers,we have just as good or better drivers in north iowa, and they dont get special treatment because they run imca.and as far as the supernationals are they going to let them run that race also.

Dirt-Tracker
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posted December 06, 2005 02:48 PM  
Are these the same rules that they had last year at each track? If so I dont see the problem. Its only for a year. THe same people are going to be racing anyway. Let them get their phase in year in then its over. IMCA did the same for us down here last year. Last year only, we could run roller cams and it was at that particuliar track only. If we traveled to a different track we had to follow all IMCA rules. Now the claim deal I do disagree with, I think if you choose to run a aluminum head engine be willin to sell it for 525!!! Maybe that would get rid of the bigger engines sooner.

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20crew
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 06, 2005 06:24 PM  
yes, all three tracks were open motor tracks last year ,with a head and intake claim.

ump_outlaw
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posted December 06, 2005 07:04 PM  
tell me this, why didnt i- 35 and algona and fairmont get a phase in,in 2005 cause they were all open tracks in 2004 and they were run by the same promoter.if it takes a extra year to get ready for imca you'll never be ready,it all a game.

20crew
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 06, 2005 07:49 PM  
the promoter is worried he is going to loose cars, I think . I was also told the rules meeting didn't go to well acouple of weeks ago, the IMCA rep didn't fell to welcome is what I heard.

dirtrace54
Dirt Freak

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posted December 06, 2005 09:07 PM  
plus again....like i said....they have to bolt weight to the midplate to conteract the aluminum heads AND they have to weight 50 pounds overall heavier that those running legal

Greggie
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posted December 07, 2005 09:40 AM  
The SE Iowa deal was annmounced well after the season was over... I think you folks in N. Iowa and S. Minnesota knew it was coming for a half a season or better... Please correct me if I am wrong.

I don't see one thing wrong with IMCA wanting to make more money by expanding their base. This phase in deal is not something new. I don't agree with the claim thing, though... If one of the regulars from 2005 running an IMCA legal motor wanted to claim someone running an alum. headed motor in 2006, then he should be able to do so.

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