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chickenlittle
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posted November 11, 2005 02:17 PM  
How much are you having to pay? Our local dealer is charging $100 a tire. I thought the new tire was supposed be cheaper? I was paying $95 for the AR tire with free mounting. This was from a different dealer that does not sell Hoosiers. I think it stinks. Now i have to throw away perfectly good tires and speend MORE MONEY!! to replace them.

psycho47
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posted November 11, 2005 02:18 PM  
I thought a set price was negotiated and if I remember right it was like $86.

chickenlittle
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posted November 11, 2005 02:40 PM  
He is saying that each tire is $88 + 7 for shipping and then state sales tax. Total = $100. I sent an e-mail to Brett Root and he wanted to know who was selling them. Hopefully I will get an answer soon. I asked if these prices were realistic.

mayhem
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posted November 11, 2005 07:59 PM  
I also thought with this Hoosier deal you could call the factory and have them sent directly too your home? Cutting out the middle man if you wanted to!

Todd83C
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posted November 11, 2005 09:49 PM  
I heard that they tested this tire a while back and it started to come apart after about 10 laps. If that is the case and they are 100 a tire a guy could go broke under this new deal

Spi-nex
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posted November 11, 2005 10:10 PM  
Im a little out of the loop here,,,What new mod tire are we talking about? Is it even an E-mod tire??

mayhem
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posted November 12, 2005 06:03 AM  
I have seen a picture of them! Tread pattern is the same! I would think that Hoosier would have some of the top modified builders doing some type of testing! I do know that Dirt Works a few weeks ago were down at Lucas Oil Speedway doing some kind of test. What they were testing I do not know.

dluna
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posted November 12, 2005 12:17 PM  
IMCA picked a new tire made by Hoosier to replace the American Racer for next season. Rules will allow the American Racer for at least one more year though.

U LIFT U LOOSE
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posted November 12, 2005 12:23 PM  
I believe the IMCA news letter says that the tires are required on the rear by sometime in may and required on all 4 corners by sometime in june. I guess there are going to be alot of useless american racers floating around

HarrisMod#30
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posted November 12, 2005 01:05 PM  
the tires here in wisconsin are $87+tax, sounds like the guy charging shipping is sc3wing you out of $7, or $28 on 4, what a crook! the AR's were $94 here last year.

HarrisMod#30
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posted November 12, 2005 01:18 PM  
another thing i have found interesting in the hoosiers i got, they durometer out at a 50, all the new AR's where high 60s to mid 70s.

Spi-nex
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posted November 12, 2005 03:48 PM  
Dont forget people that just because tires are $87 from Hoosier, that whoever is selling them 2nd hand is out to make a profit as well. After all they are a business and ive never herd of a business not out to make a few bucks.

I bet most you guys spend more than $28 on beer alone in the amount of time it would take you to go through 4 tires.

I talked with a guy who own a modified and he went from running the AR's to Hoosiers and he bought fewer Hooisers than he did AR's. So...take that as you may.

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HarrisMod#30
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posted November 12, 2005 05:01 PM  
thats apples to oranges dude, the imca hoosier is a new tire, prolly used more ARs cause he couldnt get his car hooked up. as far as the $28 goes, thats 2 more cases of beer....lol

LFwheelup
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posted November 12, 2005 05:17 PM  
Hey HarrisMod#30, who is selling the Hoosier tire for that price here in Wisconsin?? Just wanna know so i can go and buy some. Hey , How is Wade doing. Steve was telling me he was having a tough deal last year and just a little concerned for him. Love to watch him race he is really good.

HarrisMod#30
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posted November 12, 2005 05:20 PM  
Wades doing good except for when he gets in a car about half way through a feature, hes gonna take a year of and im gonna wheel a sport mod, Ed at gsr is selling them for that price.

nyimcamod8t
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posted November 13, 2005 10:16 AM  
what i was told this past week from my local vendor is that the dealer price from hoosier is $77 plus shipping. they at hooiser recomend a selling price of $88 plus state sales tax.

brownstone
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posted November 14, 2005 08:05 AM  
This Hoosier tire deal is getting worse by the miunte with shipping I am not saving much on the tire if any and the sidewall is really thin not like the American racer tire.

Then the durometer reads softer than the old IMCA tire.

Its looking like IMCA and Hoosier has stuck it to us.

rrrrick
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posted November 14, 2005 10:52 AM  
Just like before, the tire is going to cost $100.00 by the time it gets here to Las Vegas and like almost every rule change, it will cost money for the racers.

nyimcamod8t
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posted November 14, 2005 02:07 PM  
i don't think you gotta worry about them being "stickier". everyone i've talked to so far is saying they durometer the same as the AR's did, but they have alot stiffer sidewall. not alot of growth with tire pressure either, in the park of less than a 1/4" from 9 to 15 psi.

chickenlittle
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posted November 14, 2005 04:16 PM  
The think that stinks is that IMCA said that it would save us money and then it ends up costing more than the old tire. They have not held up their end of the deal. Also, in the summer, they posted in their newsletter that the old tire would be good next season. As it turns out you have to at least have your rear tires Hoosiered by May 15 and all 4 by June 15. I guess that I'll try and burn up my good AR's before that time. Might try some burn outs on the asphalt in front of my house. See how much smoke I can make. Got to practice for when I go cup racing LOL.

brownstone
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posted November 15, 2005 08:31 AM  
Spinex:
I hope you are not reffering to the UMP Hoosier tire when you are talking about sticky tires.
The UMP Hoosier tire has the WORS sidewall on the planet and the tire is horribly overpriced, they are worst racing tire to mount even with a new wheel and every space age lubricant known on the planet they are still tought to get popped on the bead.

Not only that but the Sticky tire does nothing but promote more motor, so no thanks, I think IMCA sold us all a bill of good but that does not mean that we need to throw the baby out with the bath water and start running that garbage UMP Hoosier Tire.

Mr.Kwik
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posted November 15, 2005 01:43 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by mayhem:
I have seen a picture of them! Tread pattern is the same! I would think that Hoosier would have some of the top modified builders doing some type of testing! I do know that Dirt Works a few weeks ago were down at Lucas Oil Speedway doing some kind of test. What they were testing I do not know.

Hey Meyhem, they were just running a few laps on the new lucas oil raceway, no testing of tires ect. the track was hardly prepped they were just out making some laps on the new track.


brownstone
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posted November 16, 2005 10:58 AM  
spinex, if you are devoted to UMP and like there overpriced tire that has the thnest sidewall in all of racing and cost most of us $105 plus shipping then why are you on this post talking about the IMCA tire ??

Why do you care what IMCA tire is ran ? Also since you dont seem to car about tire costs or engine costs, why arent you running a late model ?

The harder tire promotes less motor, which is not a bad thing.

brownstone
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posted November 16, 2005 08:05 PM  
ok fair enough.... By the way not sure what IMCA tracks you have been to but most that i have raced at have plenty of side by side racing also lots USMTS shows are mighty fast and they run on the IMCA tire also and have no trouble hauling the mail.

Kromulous
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posted November 17, 2005 08:08 AM  
Heck i wish UMP would switch over to that new IMCA Hoosier myself.

The UMP Hoosier does blow, compounds need to be corrected, and there needs to be one available compound only. Harder than a D, and softer than a H, but not with alot of plastic in it like an A. Like i said, overhaul the compound.

CLBaker25
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posted November 17, 2005 08:40 AM  
spi-nex,

You don't know what USMTS is and your team has never won a race, but you are an expert on IMCA racing. I think that you need to get out a little. Go to Supernationals or any decent IMCA mod track and you will see good side by side racing.

superdave
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posted November 17, 2005 09:11 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Spi-nex:
....I like UMP better because it lets me do what I want to do and I am not constrained by too many rules like in IMCA. The thing is with IMCA they have the theory to make everyone the same speed and very competiive......

The problem is tracks are having problems finding enough people to do what they want to do like you and can afford to for the long term. They can find more people to race on a budget in a budget car. The reason the cars need to be close is on the other side of the fence. The grandstands want to see close racing over faster cars. Fan surveys and fan counts already support that.

Same speed isn't what IMCA rules are about. Competition is what IMCA rules are about. Fans want to see it and racers want the opportunity to win because of it. I work at an IMCA track and we had 14 different mod winners in 19 nights in 05 and 16 winners the season before. We are strict on the rules and that makes them work.

The rules aren't all about the racers. They are as much about the track and the show the fans expect to see. Some save money, some ensure better parity which provides the show fans expect to see.

The IMCA Hoosier is not like the UMP tire. It's very much like the AR tire. It's meant to replace the AR tire without disrupting the parity and competitiveness of the racers. It's been tested numerous times to ensure similar performance and wear and has met that goal. All the rumors are just rumors. No way is IMCA going to risk all it's tracks and racers to some change that won't work. It will work.

Good luck,
Superdave

doghouse racing4
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posted November 17, 2005 10:09 AM  
Does anybody know why IMCA changed what they originally said concerning the AR tire was able to be used all through 2006. Now they have changed it to Hoosier's on rear by May 15 and all 4 by June 15. I bought 20 new AR's at the end of last year to run in 2006 because IMCA said they would be ok for a year. Now they are all junk. My track will have 3 or maybe 4 races by June 15. That is $1,000 out of my budget of a very small budget!

zeroracing
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posted November 17, 2005 10:39 AM  
USMTS racings isthe fastest and best mod racing in the nation, when you think your a fast modified go there and then they will put you back in your place.

CLBaker25
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posted November 17, 2005 11:37 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Spi-nex:
I am assuming USMTS is a west coast series?
I dont travel outside the Mid-west because I dont have time to take off of work to take anything more than a weekend off.

You haven't traveled outside of the midwest? How about getting out of your parents basement. I don't understand how anyone that claims they know anything about modified racing in the midwest does not know what the USMTS series is.

Kromulous
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posted November 17, 2005 12:00 PM  
Spi-Nex, USMTS is touring Modified series that runs mainly thru the middle west, Iowa, Nebraska, South & North Dakots, Wisconsin & Minnesota.

Here is a link: http://www.usmts.com/

There fast, alot of higher end chassis builders run it. Most IMCA guys say there the best of the best, not sure i agree. Its like a UMP Mod, with a IMCA tire on it.

As far as IMCA, i wish we ran it. I would welcome the structure. UMP and the UMP tracks around here are a free for all around here, Southern Ohio. Alot of tracks to the east are plain outlaw, gumball tires (Sprint car fronts) high HP engines, its getting pricey to race around here.

Krom.

cozmo
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posted November 17, 2005 12:41 PM  
Spi-nx

If you like to see big motor mods race you got to come to the northeast and experience our big block mods. 800hp+ BB


as for tires we are all racers and we all have experienced "we are changing the rules to save the racer money and have better racing” it always cost us more and there is always people out there that have the money to play with the rules it always puts the hurt on the budget teams which there are always more of.

we are a low budget NE mod team and it cost us about 30k just in fuel, tires and race damage to race this year that doesn't include towing the car or spares and that’s at one track

coz

PEwaste
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posted November 17, 2005 01:13 PM  
"I like UMP because of lack of Tech and open rules, I always feel more free, and If we get beat, then we haven't stepped up to the plate to better ourselves. Its not fair to the other guys to take stuff away to slow them down just because they are faster"


Lack of Tech is the number one reason costs are high.

If you don't win 9 times out of 10 it isn't because your game isn't stepped up, it's because the guy next to you just outmotored you.

Common sense, got any?

doghouse racing4
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posted November 17, 2005 02:15 PM  
Spi-nex....you seem to think you have everything figured out for everybody. Not all tracks are equal....1/4 mile hooked up track, is a lot different then a 1/4 slick track...horsepower is important at one and not so much at the other.......800 hp at a hooked up track will beat 300 hp everytime, it doesn't matter if your car is not set up right as long as you can keep it on the track.

Concerning me putting all my eggs in one basket by buying 20 tires at half price. The IMCA track I race at, the rear tires last about 3 races, then i rotate to front. 30 races a year that would be 20 tires, not including cut downs and all. Plus if you can get a new tire for $50 instead of buying them for $100 when you are in need of them, what is the smart way of doing it, especially when a person doesn't have unlimited money. But thanks for telling me I only need to buy 10 tires, I am sure you know what is best for me and every other racer. Not all tracks wear tires the same. At a different track, I have raced the same tires all year. So your experiences you have in tracks, tire wear, horsepower, do not fit every others persons needs or thoughts...get it?

nyimcamod8t
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posted November 17, 2005 03:17 PM  
seems like you know everything about mod racing, then your post says you race a factory stock.

brownstone
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posted November 17, 2005 04:53 PM  
I dont care what anyone says the UMP tire is garbage I have seen new ones leak thru the sidewall bad enough that they cant be used. The sidewall must be made of the best bubble gum that Hoosier can get.
The D-40 bites great, too bad you need lots of new ones to keep up with the Jones's and there high Hp motors. We run A-40'down here and they are horrid, dont let the caution come out cause they will glaze over.
The top 3 cars are buying them weekly. No thanks at 105 each. Plus when its tacky you can hook it all up.
I will take IMCA and there tire, i am not happy about the pricing lies we have gotten so far, I think IMCA pulled a fast one and has not really saved anyone by putting the tire up for bid but its still better than UMP which does nothing, but provides a points fund.

Ego Racing
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posted November 17, 2005 05:10 PM  
Brownstone- Put the grinder to them!
At our track the Late Models run D15, D35 and D55 Hoosiers. The tire man is still selling them for $135 each. Hoosied has discontinnued them and sells them throught there web site for about $130.

PEwaste
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posted November 17, 2005 05:33 PM  
You race a factory stock. How much do you have invested in it?

You wouldn't know the first thing about a modified if it hit you square in the eyes. Yes, racing involves fast cars and high hp engines, but it also involves spending money in the right places.

Getting a better motor, for most people isn't just going out and spending the money. You must be around 15 or 16 and have never had to worry about money before. Try it sometime, not everyone can afford 800 HP Ump Engines.

PEwaste
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posted November 17, 2005 06:41 PM  
So I'm guessing you've got maybe $1500 in your motor?

What happens when someone pulls in with a $4000 powerplant under the hood. You going to "just get a bigger motor" or move down since you can't afford that class anymore?

FYI I didn't ask for "what bills do you pay"

zeroracing
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posted November 17, 2005 07:49 PM  
I hate young kids, those guys under about 25 are know it alls. They need to be put in their place. haha.

HarrisMod#30
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posted November 17, 2005 08:13 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Spi-nex:
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I have more in my street stock than most IMCA guys got in their mods.


you said you have $4000 in your street stock, how do you figure you have more than most IMCA guys have in there mods? We have more than that just in our drive train son.

dirttrackin94
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posted November 17, 2005 08:22 PM  
i figure since everyone is feeling ''ballsy'' i will throw my opinion in on this talk.i am 25 years old,although i dont know everything,i do know more than a hole lot of folks that think they know racing.i ran mods for 3 years and ran a late model last year,now im back to modifieds.my personal car is a peirce b-mod,and i drive a car for a freind in the pro mod division.the late models were just not drawing any cars,so i figured id drop back to the thriving mods,plenty of cars,plenty of payout and plenty of action.our local track runs ump style rules,aluminum heads,roller cams,only rule is no aluminum blocks.most cars are pulling 650-750 horsepower and have alot of money wrapped up in them.my personal motor is a 414ci,and we have right at $7800 in it,dynos out at 619hp and 590 torque.we have no problem running with the guys that have $20,000 under the hood and 750hp.until this year the most hp i have had under me is 550,now that i have more power i am realizing how much it doesnt matter.at the end of the night it is so dry that 500hp could win,i very rarely see a wet tacky hp track at the end of the night,unless it is september.too many guys with money got it in their head and thought it took 750 hp to win is where all these mega buck motors come from,all it is is intimidation,you dont have to have that to run with these big motors,the big rigs and trailers and big hp motors are just intimidation,and until you realize that you will always think it takes 740hp to win with them.these guys spend 20 grand on a motor i could build for $10 grand,they act like they have no brains!

dirttrackin94
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posted November 17, 2005 09:57 PM  
$550 ARE YOU KIDDING ME?YOU CANNOT BUY A STK MOTOR FROM NAPA FOR $550.A GOOD CLAIMER MOTOR COMPLETE WILL HAVE ABOUT $2000 IN IT AFTER MACHINE WORK,BALANCING,ROD BOLTS,PISTONS,HEADS,ECT,ECT..I RUN FORGED PISTONS,H-BEAMS,4340 CRANKS AND ALL AND HAVE NEVER HAD OVER $8000 IN MY MOTOR AND WE RUN WITH UMP MOTORS EVERY WEEK!IF YOU LIKE SPENDING $20,000 ON A $10,000 DOLLAR MOTOR ILL BUILD THEM ALL DAY LONG FOR YOU!!UMP TIRES **** ,THEY ARE LIKE A PENCIL ERASER AND HAVE NO LIFE TO THEM..YOU SAY THEY ARE GOOD,THAT IS YOUR OPINION,DOESNT MEAN IT IS RIGHT,AND SOME POEPLE SAY THEY LIKE ****ING WITH ''LAMB SKIN'' DOES THAT MAKE THEM RIGHT,**** NO!!

nelson1m
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posted November 17, 2005 10:15 PM  
spi-nex I have read all the post, and you are way out of your league. I myself am young (20) but I am not on here saying I know everything. I drive my $12,500 modified (chassis alone) and do well but I listen to the people that have been doing it a while. Maybe that is why I have sponsors and drive a modified and you drive a street stock.

PEwaste
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posted November 17, 2005 10:51 PM  
How many home built mods do you see winning where your at Spi-nex..

Harrismod30, lets take our sportmods over there and run them against these low class IMCA mods he claims race around there.

The average IMCA mod, for the weekly racer is normally a 2-3 year old chassis bought for 5 Grand, Solid motor built for $2500, add in another 2500 for drive train, and then wrap up another 1000 on pumps/pulleys and misc stuff. You need to add 650 for a used Flowed carb. Figure your tire bill in for a year, at 8 new tires to start the year 90 each..

Most guys have more in there chassis with sheetmetal on it than you do in your factory stock.

I see you were also a rookie last year (2005)... Fill us in on how you get your figures on what guys have in there engines. A stock GM 350 would be lucky to make it 4 laps with a solid 2 link modified on a 4 bbl with alky.

I'm with Zero... them danged kids (LOL), 25 or under and we.. I mean they know it all. I was lucky enough to learn from some of the best in the business around here, the likes of Kelly Shryock, Rick Gustin, Darrel Defrance, Mark Elliot... I know there are tracks in the country that don't require much motor, but to say you have more money in your factory stock than you do most IMCA mods... CMON.

As for the tires, as long as they don't cost me over 90 bux and I can get 4-5 nights out of a RR before replacing it with a left front... I'm happy. If next year (First year of IMCA Racing) I can keep my tire bill under $1500 I'll be real happy. I don't think ANYONE on here expects that racing is going to be cheap, even with the crate debate, both options cost money.

Throw them $550 motors out there in UMP land and let em hang.

zeroracing
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posted November 18, 2005 07:27 AM  
Dang young know it alls. You can always tell them too, they get cocky and start painting the cars wild colors and schemes(like limetime green). dang kids.
but you cannot put a motor together for 550, and building a homemade car capable of running at the front at a decent race would run well over 3500, by the time you get good birdcages on it and stuff like that.

happy
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posted November 18, 2005 07:46 AM  
I wonder with Hoosier coming into IMCA and they are claiming tires under $100.00 if all the guys that have been paying over that for a couple of years in Wissota will be able to get a refund? And yes they are junk just like everybody has said, no sidewalls constantly glazing over if run the "A", if you run the "D" you will use a set up in a night. We do have an "H" option but it is so hard you can hardly get a heat cycle in it. The bad part of it is we have never seen any people from Hoosier asking what we can do to make a better tire, it's more like Ha-Ha......Cha-ching.

Kromulous
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posted November 18, 2005 07:59 AM  
The problem with the UMP tire is, it promotes high HP, and then the tire wont last and is poorly built. It's a double negative your working against.

Tire bill for running UMP competively would be well inexcess of 4k a year. Thats running up front, some guys bolt up all new every race. Its rediculous, especially racing for $500 bucks to win.

Then there is the Outlaw tracks we run at, if you take a UMP Hoosier or a IMCA tire and try to run it there you will be .3 to .5 tenths slower a lap. So you need more tires, special ones, more money.

As for costs, your not going to find a competitve UMP mod with less than about $8k in the motor. To run UMP and to be fast you need 650 to 700HP, period, and NO your not going to run with em on a dry slick track with 300HP, thats fairy tale BS. The Chassis, if you got a decent car your going to have about 10 to 12k in it regardless.

Outlaw Engines on gumball tires, well you need more power. We run our new engine hard to keep up. I would guess a stern 750HP to run with the fast guys on a Outlaw track.

So were sitting on about 20K worth of race car, and we race for $750 or so on average to win? Thats the insane part.

IMCA has alot going for them, more than you think. That tire is good, and it helps an average working stiff like me to continue racing. 10 tires a year would be a welcome change.

Krom.

Flanndad
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posted November 18, 2005 08:01 AM  
Well I think we all agree Spi-nex isn't really sure of what he is talking about.

"Well I have never seen an IMCA guy run any motor worth more than $550 and you can build your own chassis for $3450." His Quote

I race a street stock in Michigan, (Winston Motor Speedway, Thunderbird Raceway, Crystal's special show's, And I have ran I-96)Most of the Street stock I race against are running at least $4,500 motors, and when they jump to a modified, guess what motor is going into it.
I read one time that most divisions with a buy out rule the engines are at average 6 or 7 times more money than the buyout rule.

You stated that most guy's don't have over $550 dollars in their motors, Excuse me but most guy's around here have that at the least just in their heads...

Spi-Nex, this is a great site, great people who will answer all sort's of question's.
Please keep your comments to intellegent answer's, and this site will be the best tool you can have.

Watch what happens know, it's just like at the track disrespect someone and see who's get's bump into the wall. Your future question's will get limited responses until people respect you.
Calm down enjoy the site, and only answer on things you know, believe it or not, but this site has some very intellegent people on it and you will get called out, if you BS.

[This message has been edited by Flanndad (edited November 18, 2005).]

cozmo
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posted November 18, 2005 08:16 AM  
The cheapest I ever was able to build an 383 imca motor was 1,500$ for the lower end with all claimer stuff

For glazing over if you could get away with it sipe them it will keep them glazing over it also helps the tire come up to temp faster

I was happy if I could get more than one race with an RR

As for cost of tire there are a lot of people that get a cut before the tire reaches the racer the manufacture, sanction body/track, the retailer and the shipping company. How good of a tire can you produce to keep the price down for the racer?


coz

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