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hoosierdaddy48
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 122
posted October 27, 2005 10:36 PM  
should a track be able to dictate car appearance????

IowaFuzzy1
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 138
posted October 27, 2005 11:00 PM  
Too a given point,I think that they should.This should be on a(From the Grandstand)appearence judgement.This goes along with the theory that (If it appears to be JUNK it probably is)Now before you all start chewing me out for the previous statement,THINK ABOUT IT !!I know that in some cases that is not a true statement.I know that everybody can't afford fancy graffics and trick paint jobs,but even a gallon of tractor paint (20 bucks at Tractor Supply)&50 bucks worth of vinyl numbers don't look too bad from the stands.

zeroracing
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1933
posted October 27, 2005 11:11 PM  
I agree a track should be able to a point. TO make a car look acceptable from the stands is very cheap and easy. If the car looks terrible then it brings down all the class, and hurts great looking cars from impressing thier sponsors.

chapa73
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 171
posted October 28, 2005 06:38 AM  
I agree,I used to race factorys and would hate that a guy would show up in a junker,with spray paint numbers,we were really like street stocks,headers,mini clutches,torque tubes,holleys double pumpers, so a few cars would make our class look like junk.

And I have seen Mods with spray paint numbers,multi color bodies becouse they get a panel from another guy that said "I need to replace this,its beyond fixing" and throws it outside his shop.

NJantz
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 779
posted October 28, 2005 07:11 AM  
I used to go to a pavement track that they had in their rules that if you have body damage it must be repaired before the next race. There were no cars with caved in panels. Made for a sharp looking field and a classier operation. That track had a high percentage of corporate sponsorship as well. A hammer and dolly can go a long way in making something look nice.

zeroracing
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1933
posted October 28, 2005 07:32 AM  
Hey some of my last car was spray painted. nobody knew it probably. BUt both of my last 2 bodies have been made from odds and ends, meaning got a deal on white, then a deal on black. Then some silver gave to me, then....
So I end up with a multi color car, out comes the paint gun and trip to the paint store. Looks great when done, and totall different than other cars.
I have seen some of those mods with spray paint and stuff like that.
As far as damage, as long as its not a safety concern or parts flying off then I have no problem wiht a guy finishing the night with a car that was torn up in the heat. but if it was torn up 3 weeks ago and comes back to the track still half destoryed then dont let the mrace.

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chapa73
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 171
posted October 28, 2005 07:43 AM  
Well thats what mean about a guy having multi colored panels,Guy A runs #10,Guy B runs #25, A gets door ripped off 2 weeks ago,comes to the track with last years #25 door thats yellow,and has had an already hard life last year as a door,has the #25 graphics on it,#10 just gets some black spray paint and sprays a #10 over the #25.

Sheet metal is really east to fix,My LR has been hit alot,up-close you can see the hammer marks,but from the stands looks just fine,alot better than not fixing it,wich I see alot off.

My biggest pit peeve is a guy gets his nerf bar K.O.'d door and nerf bar bent in the center past the frame rail(lets say a wide body car) doesnt fix,doesnt hit the car wash,comes back to race with the nerf bar bent all up. Not only is it a safety hazard seeing how he could get hooked on other cars very easily,but it looks terrible.


Dman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 280
posted October 28, 2005 08:05 AM  
It's a matter of pride. If his car looks like **** he has no respect for anyone else on the track. Probably isn't concerned about his own driving either. Ive seen some guys that don't wash their car until they get to the track. Which probably means no maintenance. They are an accident looking for place to happen. Usually in front of us as we are coming around to lap em. Tracks should be able to mandate appearance. It is good for us all.Fans included.

dluna
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 342
posted October 28, 2005 09:56 AM  
I'm going to have to play the devil's advocate here I suppose. My car always looks awesome at the beginning of the year. As soon as it sets "foot" on these rocky mid-west tracks, the body gets beat up pretty bad. I don’t have any sponsors, so the need to make sure their name looks great on my car is not there. The car sits back home with nobody working on it Monday – Friday. I drive 4 hrs. every Friday night back to where the car is located. I wake up early on Saturday and work on the car all day long right up until we run out of time and HAVE to load up and head to the track. Sunday morning I wake up early and head to the local Trout Park to keep the girlfriend that I only get to see on the weekend happy. She loves to fish. After that, we go out to my parent’s house and wash the car, unload it, and get it up on stands. I pull the spark plugs out to make sure they look good. I look over the car to get a parts list to take with me that week. If the car is really beat up, we try to complete a few tasks. I finally head out at 6 or 7pm for the 4hr drive back Sunday evening. Then do it all over again. Anybody that owns a dirt modified knows that bundling all of the maintenance and setup work into one Saturday each week is not an easy task. It doesn’t leave much time at all to make the car look perfect. If I have the option to put the car on the scales, or pull the rear quarters off to make the car look nicer…I will always choose scale time.

My point is not to make anyone feel sorry for me, but to explain that you NEVER know WHY the guy’s car looks like ****. We always make it a point to go over our checklist every Saturday. Fixing body panels is at the end of that list. I’d rather do it this way than have to say: “My rear quarters look really nice, but I sure as heck can’t turn this thing when the power steering belt falls off...or a bolt comes loose…or transmission goes out if I don’t change the fluid…the list goes on…”

The day a track turns me away because my car doesn’t LOOK “pretty” enough is the day that I never return to that track. I should mention that we DO fix any body panels, etc. that could potentially cause a safety hazard before we go out on the track.

If there were more time in a day, perhaps I could show the pride I have in my racing operation.

Just my $.02

zeroracing
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Total posts: 1933
posted October 28, 2005 10:19 AM  
Some damage is ok, and not a perfect body ok.
But one street stock used to show up year after year with the same body, just take it home from the last race park it, then race it in the spring, dont wash it even.
Some mods, no rear quarter panels, no sail panels, showing up to the track this way. I have seen them that bad.
If an effort is made to keep the car apperance ok then great, these are all not show cars part time, but if there is absollutly no care at all for the car appreance then...

wetwolfone
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 53
posted October 28, 2005 10:20 AM  
I don't spend a lot of time on the body and I don't wash the car much either. I do spend a lot of time on maintenance and I finish every race. If it's not a safety hazard, then I don't really care what it looks like.
It looks good to the sponsors when it's in front. I enjoy lapping the guys that spend all their time waxing the car, etc.

hoosierdaddy48
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 122
posted October 28, 2005 12:51 PM  
i agree with it being a pride thing, for those that dont wash their cars, how can you stand being under it with all that dirt falling in your face and getting in your mouth. ewww,

donslink1
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 341
posted October 28, 2005 02:45 PM  
I would say washing and keeping a clean car is part of the maintenance of a racecar. Just think of what your sponsors would think while you are lapping the feild in a clean nice looking car!!!

andykmod
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 381
posted October 28, 2005 02:47 PM  
Yea, and Chicks really don't dig it!!!!

dluna
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 342
posted October 28, 2005 04:19 PM  
That's one of the main reasons I don't have sponsors right now. I think if you do have sponsors, it is your duty to keep the car looking good. Once I can work on the car during the week, then it will be time for me to start the sponsor search.

KK17
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 229
posted October 28, 2005 07:34 PM  
Well I can say I have one of the cleanest cars on the track...thanks to my dad...I'm trying to make the car faster and he's washing the **** thing before hotlaps, and oh don't forget the furniture polish!!!!I do get a lot of compliments though and that keeps him paying the bills...so don't tell him I was on here *****in...what happens on the dirt forum stays on the dirt forum...

JUSTBOB
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 5
posted December 22, 2005 12:19 AM  
cleaning a car is part of the maintainence-thats when you find a lot of problems that you cant see covered up with mud. even though its a pain in the *** with an enclosed trailer its very impostant.

vleibert
Dirt Roller

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posted December 22, 2005 07:53 AM  
I think washing and maintaining the appearance of my car is one of the reasons I have sponsors to put on it.

gahainsey
Dirt Maniac

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posted December 22, 2005 11:21 AM  
What looks more ridiculous- A junky looking car running up front, or a shiny paint chrome wheel blingmobile running in the back?

U LIFT U LOOSE
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 25
posted December 24, 2005 04:14 PM  
I have always heard one saying that has some truth. They all look good in victory lane. With that said I think everyone should take some pride in what there car looks like. It is not hard to make a car look presentable. I don't always have the best looking car but I know it looks decent everytime I go to the track. I have used 1 shot letter paint and had one of the best looking cars out on the track. Used brush and rollers to do the whole car and it took about an hour and a Half. I don't have a problem with plain cars. As long as it looks clean. I just don't like to patch together looking cars with spray paint numbers it looks like you finger painted your car. I think over all its bad for the class and bad for the sport.

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Mark Wakefeld
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 31
posted December 24, 2005 06:17 PM  
my theory is the mud is the tracks.

I s****e what I can off before I load into my enclosed.

I unload my car at home in my shop and work on it for the next week.

I load it back up, and sweep up any dirt that fell off and put it in a bucket and put it in my trailer.

When I get to the track I unload, sweep my trailer, dump the bucket, and spray my car with mud off and wipe it down. Thats my wash job and my car is shiny and ready to race.

Theres no reason to go to a car wash or hose mud in my driveway.

As for paint, Ive only ever used tractor paint, and 60 dollar vinyl jobs.

All those tear, splash and flame graphics all look the same on every single car, none look better than any others.... If you want something different paint a scheme like the old days,vinyl is lazy and cheesy looking.

donslink1
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 341
posted December 24, 2005 07:30 PM  
OOOOKKKKK!!!!!

Desert Mod
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 67
posted December 25, 2005 12:43 PM  
A practical reason to wash the car each week is so you can work on it without getting dirt in your eyes. Also, I hate working on anything greasy. These are race cars, not 150,000 mile uncared for work trucks.

PEwaste
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 78
posted December 25, 2005 01:12 PM  
When you spend $12,000 on a race car, you'll treat it like the car you drive every day if you really care. When you've got good paying sponsors it also is nice to have a clean appearing car. If you want your car to look like a home jobber then stick with your tractor paint and cheap vinyl. The best looking cars are those that are put together well with a nice graphic job. Sponsors pay good money, so keep them happy.

I always wash the car after the races reguardless of what time we get home. This also helps keep the shop clean. 10 bux a race night to wash the car isn't much to keep the car like new. After time, mud will stain. The key is finding car washes with warm soapy water. That helps get the dirt off faster. Of course, you'll s****e what you can. With a modified you can pull the hood, nose, rear filler, fuel filler and get the thing real clean. Nobody likes wrenching on a dirty car, it's a lot easier to work on a nice clean car. You can also find bends, breaks, cracks, or things that aren't right when the car is clean.

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