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Author Topic:   6 link vs 4 link
ricky b
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted October 26, 2005 03:28 PM  
bought a car with a 6 link (left side z link) wondering if I should change to a 4 link to simplify things. Any one know about this 6 link stuff if so have you had any luck with it and what kind of conditions does it work good with the car is a D&M house car I'm kinda new to the dirt world so any help would be appreciated.

washeduptoo
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 155
posted October 26, 2005 06:30 PM  
dirtracer14 used to run this set up on a D&M, you might pm him and he'll probably be able to help you.

dirtracer14
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posted October 26, 2005 07:22 PM  
Is it a single mount 6 link? What do you mean its a z link lr? Is it still a 6 link on the lr? Does it have a mount for a j bar? I ran a 6 link for a few years and really liked it...the only reason i sold it was i thought i would buy a new car(You know the next best thing) and after a few races in the new car i missed the old one. You know i allways said if i got the 6 link back i would 4 bar the lr and add more mounts on the rr for the z link. I think there is a old post that i added links to some pictures of the rear of my car if you look it up it will show you how mine was.

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted October 26, 2005 09:36 PM  
Hey dirtracer14, I saved those pics of your car onto my computer if you ever need them or something. I saved them back when you first posted them. Just figured I'd tell you in case you computer lost them or something.

Later!

dirtracer14
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1261
posted October 27, 2005 06:40 AM  
I did lose a lot of pics off my computer. The ones you have are they with the car dirty or was it when i was putting it back together?

bp22m1
Dirt Full Roller

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posted October 27, 2005 07:00 AM  
what is a 6 link?

ricky b
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted October 27, 2005 09:08 AM  
would like to see the pics... my car has the lr lower link fliped around the the rear and the rr is a standard 4 link. this is called a 6 link right? correct me if I am wrong please. the j bar is mounted to the pinion plate... what do you mean "single mount" how do you know what angles to run on the bars is it a set thing for just about all tracks or do you change them for different conditions

washeduptoo
Dirt Maniac

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posted October 27, 2005 03:48 PM  
Do a search on here,(z-link reversed), down at the bottom of the thread,dirtracer14 has pictures of his suspension.

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted October 27, 2005 03:50 PM  
The pics I have, the car is all together except it looks like all the sheet metal is off. And the frame looks like it had just been ran (kinda dirty).

dirtracer14
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posted October 27, 2005 07:52 PM  
Hey Ricky b it sounds like you have the newer style 4 link rev z link. The 6 link was 2 birdcages each side with rev z link and a single birdcage to float the spring. what color is the car (purple).


I think those are the pics i have posted on a few webpages i did for people to see.

dirtracer14
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Total posts: 1261
posted October 27, 2005 07:56 PM  
I brought the old topic back up....

nmracer
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted October 27, 2005 08:29 PM  
ricky b you can pm me and i can answer some quetions.I run a d&m 6 link car with the rr a 4 link.It is not a reverse z link.

MrHP1
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted October 27, 2005 09:16 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by dirtracer14:
Hey Ricky b it sounds like you have the newer style 4 link rev z link. The 6 link was 2 birdcages each side with rev z link and a single birdcage to float the spring. what color is the car (purple).


I think those are the pics i have posted on a few webpages i did for people to see.


I'm the engine guy for RickyB. You asked if the car was purple. Sounds like you know more about it than we do. Ricky and me have been running Stock Car asphalt stuff for a while. I ran dirt 20 years ago but I forgot most set-up stuff a long time ago. If this reverse z-link set-up takes a lot of experience to tune then we're in trouble. Any advice you have would be appreciated. Ricky is a solid driver who will learn dirt fast. I just don't want a tricky set up to mess up his learning curve. Thanks

dirtracer14
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Total posts: 1261
posted October 27, 2005 09:36 PM  
The reason i ask is it sounds like the car ron jones drove up at Elma year befor last. I was looking to buy the car but couldnt fund it. I dont think they are that bad to set up and prefer a dry track and tend to be tight on tacky...(lots of motor to free em up). The 6 link i had didnt have the mounts for the bar in front so i was stuck with behind. Did they call the car a 6link?

I am also guessing the top of the birdcage is real close to the housing for the top bar and the bottom is a few inches away? This was for indexing and the top bar would get under like a 4 bar and the rear bar would add steer or take steer out. Thats the way i was thinking...atleast the mounts on my car did that. the car also has a pullbar mount off to the right side at a angle?

[This message has been edited by dirtracer14 (edited October 27, 2005).]

MrHP1
Dirt Newbie

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posted October 27, 2005 09:54 PM  
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dirtracer14:
The reason i ask is it sounds like the car ron jones drove up at Elma year befor last. I was looking to buy the car but couldnt fund it. I dont think they are that bad to set up and prefer a dry track and tend to be tight on tacky...(lots of motor to free em up). The 6 link i had didnt have the mounts for the bar in front so i was stuck with behind. Did they call the car a 6 link?[/QUOTE
Ricky bought the car from Royal (Ron). We've got plenty of motor, we just need a starting point. Spring rates, bar angles, j-bar height/angle, shocks, weight percentages. When we call D&M they don't tell us anything. It's like, "You didn't buy the car from us, so you're on your own". We're inexperienced but we're not stupid. We looked under Royal's car at Manzinita and it was totally different. He said he was never happy with the set up we have on our car, so he went back to a Larry Shaw set-up he used in 1985 and then went forward from there. I don't care whether we use this set up or weld the axle to the frame (just kidding). I just want to be able to put the power down and be able to drive through the corners not just hang on and coast. If I understood this set up like I do a 4 link then I know we could make it fast. It is certainly very sophisticated and should work well. Any help would be appreciated.


dirtracer14
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posted October 27, 2005 10:07 PM  
I understand how you feel about tring to call and get help...i rebuilt the whole rear susp on my car after running it there way for a season. I would say run it as a 4 link both sides if you can....but if it has the cages with the short top i would look at getting diff ones for the 4 bar setup...if your allowed to run the short panhard start with about 4" of rake in it. the car i have now started as one of there wishbone cars with a pushbar.....

Does it have the spring mounts for the top of the housing ....and for in front?

MrHP1
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted October 27, 2005 10:23 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by dirtracer14:
I understand how you feel about tring to call and get help...i rebuilt the whole rear susp on my car after running it there way for a season. I would say run it as a 4 link both sides if you can....but if it has the cages with the short top i would look at getting diff ones for the 4 bar setup...if your allowed to run the short panhard start with about 4" of rake in it. the car i have now started as one of there wishbone cars with a pushbar.....

Does it have the spring mounts for the top of the housing ....and for in front?



Well the car is in Phoenix and I'm in San Diego, but we moved the RR spring from on top of the axle to in front at Manzanita per Royal because we were wicked tight (on the half mile). It helped but we changed it back for Tucson and it was terrible loose. We scaled the car afterwards (never had the time before) and found all kinds of weird stuff. RR spring was 120#. Rear shocks looked like they were on the opposite sides going by the rebound and compression rates. Cross was like 49%. After that it was a no brainer why the car was terrible. We had such a mad thrash to get the engine installed and get to the track that we never did anything but ride height. We're going to take the time to get the chassis right before embarassing ourselves again. I just want a basic starting point so we can practice the car and learn what it likes and how to adjust it. Everybody I ask has an opinion even though they don't have this set up. Ricky's dad wants to put leaf springs on it! I'm convinced we can make this set up fast. I think it is better than a 4 link. We just need to do our homework.


ricky b
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted October 28, 2005 11:16 AM  
thanks for the help we will probably be changing the rear end housing after the next couple of races with the new bearing bird cages and all the other new latest and greatest stuff( we need to just finnish out this year with it the way it is )keep the ideas coming I will let you all know how it went this weekend don't have a comp. at home so will be back mon.

nwarkracefan
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted October 28, 2005 03:57 PM  
if you need info on reverse z link talk to steve holzkamper at tre race cars. steve runs the setup all the time and is very willing to talk with people and help all he can.

ricky b
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted October 31, 2005 08:38 AM  
we will go back to the 6 link after I get some more seat time right now the car is awsom after the changes you all suggested it is now a 4 bar with the short p bar we used the j bar on sat night then on sun we went to the shorty and it came to life (might be just me getting more used to this dirt stuff)?... with this setup and the incredible "low buck" motor we were third to local RC whitwell and traveling man Bumper Jones when I lost my talent for a second and sliped over the cushion and then over the edge of the track would of finnished second (leader blew up with 3 to go) in my 5th start on dirt oh well we will try again next week thanks again to all for the help.

dirtracer14
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1261
posted October 31, 2005 05:46 PM  
The short bar really helps with the dry tracks...can be a handfull if it gets rough. Bumper use to come on here he also had the type of car you have (he went with the 4 bar lr)I met with him last year pretty nice guy and he let me climb under his car. Glad to hear you getting it down.

rpm20
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 338
posted November 01, 2005 05:58 AM  
i dont get the whole 6 link deal, can anyone e mail the pictures. the ones i looked at in the old post look greek to me. lol
ron.paulick@hydrite.com rpm20

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