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dirtTurd
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posted October 13, 2005 09:14 PM  
Does anyone run reverse stagger on very dry tracks? I accidently ran it this weekend and kinda liked it?? Any pros or conns. was on old style 3 link with panhard bar across the rearend.

Xtreme12x
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posted October 14, 2005 09:32 AM  
Nothing wrong with it. On Hobby Stocks we used to do that to help get side bite.
It doesn't matter what it takes to get through the corner, as long as the car feel's good and doesn't scrub speed, conventional or unconventional, the car doesn't care.


x13jc
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posted October 14, 2005 05:43 PM  
x13jc,
How much reverse stagger did you run? i was about 1 inch...

x13jc
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posted October 15, 2005 06:34 PM  
Were does it tighten the car up all the way threw the corner thanks

x13jc
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posted October 16, 2005 04:14 PM  
WHAT ABOUT REV TIRE STAGGER ON THE FROUNT WILL IT FREE THE CAR UP ??

x13jc
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posted November 14, 2005 04:27 AM  
Runing reverse stagger in the front would make you real tight off the conner. Rear stagger gets you in and front gets you off. if the track gose dry slick try 1/2" stagger in the front and 1" in the rear and dile more bite and front brake in to it. ive never once ran on a track where i had to run reverse stagger.

wfoondirt
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posted November 14, 2005 08:49 AM  
Why would front stagger effect corner exit?

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PEwaste
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 14, 2005 09:20 AM  
Like WFO Said, Front stagger does not affect anything but your scale numbers. If they weren't independent, then they would make a difference.

Xtreme12x

modracer09
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posted November 14, 2005 09:28 AM  
for one thing front tire stagger helps alot if you put reverse stagger in it its going to pull to the right its laws of pysics. take your paper cup and roll it on the tabel and you will se what i mean. tell if you only have 1" inch of stagger in the front and than you put 4 in it the front of the cars going to loosin up so if you got reverse its going to tighin it up im not trying to cause a fight or any thing but its all laws of phiysics

leapinlizard
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posted November 14, 2005 09:46 AM  
You can't even spell physics. Much less teach about it.


Front tires are independant. Not locked like a paper cup.

wfoondirt
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posted November 14, 2005 10:46 AM  
Ah you have one of them there cars with them psychic wheels that know what the other ones are doing without being connected.

Actually I think the confusion comes from the fact that I studied physics and you studied pysics.

All kidding aside, front stagger has no effect as long as you reset your wheel weights except under braking.

Spi-nex
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posted November 14, 2005 11:19 AM  
I found running reverse stagger does help tighten the car up on exit. But even I only run like a half inch of stagger whether its dry or wet,,,I like a very tight race car.

Wheel weights?? I have never herd of ANYONE running wheel weights...thats something new to me.

wfoondirt
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posted November 14, 2005 11:59 AM  
I was referring to the weight on each individual wheel when you scale it.

Kromulous
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posted November 14, 2005 12:19 PM  
But dont forget front stagger is a great way to move weight around, quickly at the track.

Same as wheel offsets. 1" of offset is good for about 25lbs. 1" of stagger is good for about 75lbs of weight on my car. I was never a fan of moving wheel offsets till recently.

You can change things around, if you have to at the track and then scale it when you get home to see what the numbers ended up as. If alll the changes made it better. Then reset the stagger or offsets and re-adjust to get the numbers back, properly with the weight jacks.

Krom.

doug
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posted November 23, 2005 07:50 PM  
kromulous where do you run at thanks the buzzard7

Ego Racing
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posted November 24, 2005 07:16 AM  
Front stagger turns the car into the corner. It dose not matter if they are independent or locked together. If you put a big tire on a pipe and a small on the other end, Not connected, the bigger tire will cover more ground when the pipe is pushed the same amount, not so much due just to the size but the size and roll resistance. The larger tire rolls easier. This helps the right front roll into the corner easier than the left tire. It is physics but several combined not just one.
More stagger tightens the car going in and helps through the center as when the chassis rolls onto the larger tire the spring rate of the tire will increase due to added pressure this will add weight to the left rear or bite.
Rear stagger helps the car through the middle and during corner exit by principle of the rolling cup. When on the throttle the right rear tire will cover more ground than the left rear, this moves the outside of the car around the inside of the car.
During corner entry the larger tire on the right rear causes more drag when off of the gas, this is why more left rear bite helps loosen the car going in because it is trying to out drag the right rear, this will allow for more control of the rear if both tires are causing the same amount of drag on the car. If the right rear gets overly heavy and offsets the bite of the car the car becomes tight. This is what the reverse stagger is doing and causing the car to dig the right rear in, you are in effect unloading the left front and right rear and adding weight to the left rear and right front, BUT you are also ( with the smaller tire) allowing the chassis weight center to roll over the right rear more. This added weight digs in the right rear. The added bite from the unloading the RF and RR help off the corner.
We used to lower are bite to 20lbs to -20lbs on a dry slick track until we decided to try the smaller right rear and it did the same thing with ALOT less work.

GRTmod
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posted November 24, 2005 10:30 PM  
Back in the 70's with my Late model I did, worked good in certain conditions.

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