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Author Topic:   Hughes or Shaw?
nelson1m
Dirt Roller

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posted October 06, 2005 09:06 PM  
I could really use everybodys info, I have it narrowed down between a Hughes roller or a Shaw roller. I just can't decide but I need to as soon as possible and it is a big decision because it is a one shot deal, if you could give me any ideas on which one you would choose (best setup, driver friendly, etc) I would really appreicate it, Thanks

Kenny9K
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted October 07, 2005 01:58 AM  
I would go with the Shaw just because they are well built fast cars, and their customer service is unbelievable. Kevin Shaw is one of the nicest people I've met in racing. He would bend over backwards to help you out.

UFnARacing
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 183
posted October 07, 2005 06:18 AM  
I'm no expert by any means, but I have been doing a lot of research on chassis' lately. From what I've learned, the Shaw cars may not be real fast for a long time. I'm told they flex a lot and I know that is bad for a car over time. I'm not real sure about the Hughes cars, but I do know that they are fast cars.

On a side note, with either of those cars your getting a very fast car. Both chassis are at the top of the food chain.

Good Luck

dirtbuster
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posted October 07, 2005 07:27 AM  
Ufnaracing

We have been thinking about a looking at a Shaw lately, if there is any other points, (good or bad) you have noticed about them and dont mind passing along that would be great.

Fastride 38
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 138
posted October 07, 2005 08:12 AM  
I owned a 01 Shaw three link. They seem to run better on longer more sweeping corner tracks. Like Batesville Speeday for example. Maybe that has changed with their new chassis. They were fast at Batesville for sure.

Xtreme12x
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posted October 07, 2005 08:55 AM  
I ordered a GRT for a few different reasons. My selections were down to GRT and Shaw ( I have heavy ties to a Shaw Dealer), and we decided that the GRT would fit me better. They are both great cars, along with Hughes. The Hughes cars simply work. They are as good if not better than a Skyrocket (In my opinion).

UFnARacing
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 183
posted October 07, 2005 02:10 PM  
If I had the money to buy any chassis, which I don't, it would be down to 3 chassis, in no order:

Skyrocket
Shaw
Hughes

This is just going off reputation, what I read on various boards and what I've learned talking to racers in this area. So that means the tie breaker would be service and longevity. I wouldn't want a car that will only last a year and wouldn't want one where the builder won't or can't help me. I've only heard the Shaws don't last real long, haven't heard that about the other two. I've heard the tech help with the Skyrocket and Shaw are good. The racers I talked to about the Hughes actually knew him so I discounted that type of tech help.

If it were my choice, I'd get a Hughes just because he's from my neck of the woods and I now know people that know him.

In case your wondering, I've pretty much decided on a BMS or DW, but only because I can't quite afford a Hoffman right now, still about $3K too high for a decent car.

2nd2none
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posted October 07, 2005 02:31 PM  
I've heard some bad things about Hughes. Yes, they are fast, Yes, they are quality car, but I've heard from a few sources, be prepaired after 10 races to start ordering another car. They are bad fast for 10 races then fall off after that.

When you are talking about a shaw car, those aren't the cars that are winning the big shows. Shaw by Talor are the ones winning. I'm not for sure what the difference is, but Jeff Taylor has done something to make his car (built off a Larry Shaw jig) fast.

Fastride 38
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posted October 08, 2005 01:43 PM  
Well I was at Batesville for the big money show. It wasn't just Taylor in a Shaw car in the A main. I have a GRT now, till I get my new car built over the winter. I purchase it to finish the year out with. I really like this car...it's a 2001 and the tech support was/is excellent. BTW thank you MIKE!!!

mod15r
Dirt Roller

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posted October 08, 2005 08:16 PM  
both cars are good fast cars. i think that a car slowing down after ten races from flex is a mental thing. i know of some shaw cars that have 5 yrs on them and are bad fast. the shaw cars are built light but have a very safe cage. you need to call each chassis builder and see how long of a waiting list to get your car built. this time of year everyone is ordering new cars for next season. good luck with your decision.

nelson1m
Dirt Roller

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posted October 12, 2005 07:12 PM  
Thanks for your input.

Wayne 40W
Dirt Roller

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posted October 14, 2005 09:37 PM  
i dont know about the other cars but shaws are really fast on all track conditions but if you really get hooked up after 9 or 10 races you will find cracks in welds and bars so you really have to check the chassie out after every race.


zeroracing
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posted October 17, 2005 10:14 AM  
out of those two I would get a shaw. they have better tech than anybody in the country. The hughes are fast around us, but have never been impressed by them and heard alot of neg. about them. But both are fast cars. I would choose the shaw without a second thought. Shaw is one of the leaders in dirt track tech. But the hughes in on spring clamped up and floated on top rr.

zeroracing
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posted October 17, 2005 10:17 AM  
Also as far as welds, a friend as a late model a shaw car, with well over 800hp, and everything you could think of for speed. A full super late model touring car. He has had almost no problems with cracking welds. They are going to run this car more than one year, which before were running a late fora year then it would be twisted and cracked so sell it and get a new one. Also they cannot be happier with hte support from shaw that they recieve. I have met the shaws and they are very easy to talk to and nice people.

Xtreme12x
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posted October 17, 2005 11:07 AM  
I've heard of chassis cracking from about everybody that has ever built a chassis. It happens from time to time, but we have only had 2 cars (one Kosiski that was all Moly,a nd one Dirtworks that was all moly) Crack from time to time.

NJantz
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posted October 17, 2005 01:04 PM  
Chromolly will always crack when it's mig welded and not stress relieved.

I'd like to add that Kevin SHAW is the best when it comes to getting setup help. He's one super nice guy.


mayhem
Dirt Roller

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posted October 17, 2005 05:41 PM  
There are alot of guys running Hughes chassis up in our neck of the woods. And these guys run alot of shows. They don,t see to fall off after 10 races. I have heard that Hughes builds 1 car a week. And if you placed a order with him a month ago it would be about March buy the time it would be ready to pick up. Just what I heard!

nelson1m
Dirt Roller

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posted October 17, 2005 07:26 PM  
If you order one now you will get it the earliest at the end of may.

CLBaker25
Dirt Freak

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posted October 18, 2005 05:52 AM  
Here at Beatrice Speedway, Dave Trauenicht has been running a Shaw car and has been dominating against JET at his home track. I think from what I have seen that Shaw is a very good car. I think they got like 17 wins this year from their Shaw.

nelson1m
Dirt Roller

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posted October 21, 2005 11:07 PM  
thanks all your input has been helpful in my choice. thanks

FATBOY90
Dirt Full Roller

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posted October 22, 2005 12:12 PM  
SHAW SHAW SHAW SHAW SHAW . NEED I SAY MORE?

JUSTBOB
Dirt Newbie

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posted November 29, 2005 01:29 AM  
we have run a shaw for 3 years and it was a year old when we bought it. I would highly sugest the shaw car.Best car Ive ever drove,and yes,they will take good care of you. Not like those pricks at dirtworks.

mod10
Dirt Newbie

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posted November 30, 2005 06:53 PM  
We bought a 04 Shaw last year that was one year old, after about half the season we noticed the uprights that the motor plate bolts to and the motor mounts were cracking but we just welded them up as they appeared, now that the season is over we are replacing those bars. The only thing that we noticed is the top tube going to the right front is bowed from the frame flexing. So we are going to triangulate the right hand side from the middle of the chassis forward like the Taylor/Shaw cars. To fix this. The tech support is great at Shaw. Don't know about Hughes support but the guys running them that I,ve raced against are fast!!! And the Shaw chassis is the best and fastest car I,ve owned. So I think its a coin flip. Good luck!!! and hope this.

dirtbuster
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posted December 01, 2005 05:16 AM  
What all does taylor do to the shaw cars?
We dont have a Shaw car but ours is built ver similar, and the problems you are having with the rails bowing is something I have been worried about. Seems like they should be triangulated, but yet I've seen a lot of late models built the same way.

mod10
Dirt Newbie

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posted December 01, 2005 08:21 AM  
Taylors cars are triangulated from the 4-link brackets all the way down the RH side up to the motor plate uprights and are the same everywhere else as far as I can tell,other than he has more adjusting holes in the brackets, but he still has flex in the chassis by not bracing from the motor upright down to the frame close to the upper a-arm brackets. So I guess it could still bow some but I think he has taken about 3 foot of area that could flex and made it stiffer.

dirtbuster
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posted December 01, 2005 10:16 AM  
ok I see. It sounds like our car is closer to Taylor's car then. It is triangulated from the RR to the midplate but not from there to the frame. We thought about putting brackets to bolt in a stiffener in that area but I guess its prob not that big of a deal. I know a lot of cars have them braced there though.

nwarkracefan
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posted December 01, 2005 04:30 PM  
I won't say anything good or bad about shaw cars as I have only seen 2 or 3 of them in person. Not enough to develop an opinion on them.

However, I can tell you that Hughes cars are good, fast cars. The cars really respond well to big horsepower. We race against them every week and they have definitely become a lot faster cars over the last year. They really seem to have it going on when it comes to the short tracks with tight turns.

I can't vouch for hughes tech support as we don't run hughes cars. However, knowing the guy that actually builds the cars for Hughes, i'd say that getting good support from them would not be a tough thing to do.

Again, I won't knock the shaw folks as I'm sure they are good as well. But I will say the here in NW Arkansas, and NE Oklahoma, Hughes and TRE Race Cars (Built by Steve Holzkamper) are what you see at the front week in and week out.

GRTmod
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 04, 2005 02:06 PM  
I'd get a GRT. Adjustments like you wouldn't believe, im havin a good feeling about it for next year since i got most of the bugs out towards the end of this year. Between the two i'd get a Hughes.

blueovalshaw
Dirt Newbie

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posted December 08, 2005 12:44 PM  
shaw all the way they are by far rthe most helpful to your questions and the fastest one the tracks around hyre and hint hint where are the nationals held thats right right across the street from shaw's shop so who would be best in winnin lookouts im not knockin any other cars dirtsworks and harris or hughes but i pesonaly have found a shaw to be the best bet good luck to you man in whatever your desicions

TopRookie357
Dirt Newbie

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posted December 08, 2005 09:20 PM  
I run a Hughes in NW Arkansas and love it. The main two cars you see up front around here are Hughes and TRE. I don't know much about Shaws though.

dirtrace54
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posted December 09, 2005 11:16 PM  
I was told Hughes has a 7 month wait on a new chassis.......anyone else heard of this?

11dirt
Dirt Roller

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posted December 14, 2005 09:14 AM  
if you have any doubts or questions about a hughes chassis try calling them. 1-918-422-4007. and they have about 30 - 35 cars on the list on the average don't think it will take 7 months to get one. it ought to tell you something if they are in that kind of a demand on how good the tech and the cars are?
and if you don't think they are fast try racing against one sometime.

zeroracing
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posted December 14, 2005 10:18 AM  
I race against alot of them, like 6-7 at least in a field. A few are extremely fast, but those guys always have been fast.
I think it is more of a monkey see monkey do thing than anything. Same as when the skyrockets first came out.
The hughes I run against are about even with the other cars, skyrockets, harris, lots of dirt works. Heck one of the fastest cars I have seen is a leaf spring ellis, but the driver is older and fits his style.
Drivers need to find a car that matches thier driving and thier style not just what that guy has got and is fast.
I dont like the clamped set up so hughes not my cup of tea.

HarrisMod#30
Dirt Freak

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posted December 19, 2005 02:56 PM  
If anyone is looking for a new Shaw and you do not want to wait I know of a local dealer that just got 2 chassis in today(wisconsin) Shoot me a PM and ill get you the dealers name and phone number.

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