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sanderson10
Dirt Full Roller

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posted September 27, 2005 09:57 PM  
Just curious on what tool chassis builders use to put the round brake into the wheel wells? thanks.

Jason

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted September 27, 2005 10:49 PM  
A easy edger.

Fastride 38
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posted September 28, 2005 05:51 AM  
A English wheel.

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shopboss
Dirt Roller

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posted September 28, 2005 06:03 AM  
a short piece of wood with a slit cut in it.

NJantz
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posted September 28, 2005 06:39 AM  
shopboss, could you elaborate on that tool. That might be something I could afford. lol.

Xtreme12x
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posted September 28, 2005 07:02 AM  
Thats how we do it... I had been trying to figure out how to do it without the actual tool.

Basically, how we do it...
Take a 1x1, and split it in half. Take and cut a small slot in one end, maybe 1/2-3/4 inches deep, wide enough for the sheet metal to slide in. Take the end of the wood to a grinder and smooth it out. Lay your peice out and slowly work the metal up to about 75-90*. Then once you get it that far up, take a good rubber mallot and slowly tap the fold up and over. The peice will start to "Bow". Don't worry about this. Keep going slowly until its pretty much flat. Now, make sure you're on a good flat and hard surface, preferably a sheetmetal layout table. Take your mallot and smack the **** out of the fold starting at one end and work to the other. A brake will work ok to smash it but the mallot will make a lot cleaner and flatter smash.

I now do this to all my sail pannels, B Pillars... It doesn't take much time and adds a real nice touch for someone that does there own body work.

For another flare, take and make the same thing, but make it twice as wide and twice as deep. Now on the edge that'll be on the topside of the flare, round that off. Now you can go around the front of your wheel wells and flare the front out.

BrianW
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posted September 28, 2005 07:45 AM  
Anyone care to post pics of their home-made tools for the rest of us???

Xtreme12x
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posted September 28, 2005 08:56 AM  
I'm gonna make some new ones this next week at the machine shop out of aluminum... I'll shoot some pics and make some diagrams so anyone can make them.

NJantz
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posted September 29, 2005 06:17 AM  
Thanks guys. that would be great if you could post some pics.

shopboss
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posted September 29, 2005 06:27 AM  
extreme pretty much has the tool covered except mine is made out of a 2x4. i only flare in front of the tire about 45 degrees (doesn't monkey up the sheetmetal so bad) then i bend above and behind the wheel IN not quite 90. it will put a slight bow out in the sheetmetal then i just take my hands and kind of form everything else to match. gives the car kind of a late model look. practice on some s**** first!! takes a few times to make it really look good on dark colors. which after a clown folds it in to the frame, it really doesn't matter

Xtreme12x
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posted September 29, 2005 06:33 AM  
Shop boss has it. Thats exactly what I do. The 2x4 does the flare on the body, and then the small one folds the wheel well over to mash it down.

I might be doing a couple bodies in the next week, and maybe one this weekend, I'll take some pics of the tool in action and how the process goes on getting your edges rolled and flat.

holeshot
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posted October 20, 2005 08:08 AM  
extreme12x, have you had a chance to take the pictures.

Xtreme12x
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posted October 20, 2005 10:59 AM  
Not yet, should be next week when I get my new car. I'm having some new ones made out of aluminum also. I'll take pics of both.

Leaf
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posted October 20, 2005 04:23 PM  
XTREME, decipher these three posts from you below for us dummies please. They seem rather contradictory, almost as contradictory as your getting your new car in a week that weve all been reading since august here and on who won,lol. whos making them non exhistent imaginary tools?

sept 29th
"I'm gonna make some new ones this next week at the machine shop out of aluminum... I'll shoot some pics and make some diagrams so anyone can make them."


"I might be doing a couple bodies in the next week, and maybe one this weekend, I'll take some pics of the tool in action and how the process goes on getting your edges rolled and flat."

"Not yet, should be next week when I get my new car. I'm having some new ones made out of aluminum also. I'll take pics of both."


topnotch
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posted October 21, 2005 06:42 PM  
i built a similar tool about of a piece of 3/4" steel round bar, but it doesn't work so well and is really time consuming to use. The wood sounds better or possibly building some hammer forms out of wood like an airplane sheetmetal guy would do. how about those pics?

Xtreme12x
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posted October 21, 2005 10:24 PM  
Hey guys, I'll shoot you some pics of the wooden tools that I have. There kinda crude, but get the job done. Keep in mind the one that I will label as the one I use to do the wheel wells needs some work. It works well, but was made out of a very light wood. The one I use to do the Wheel Well flares is a little better. This will give you all an Idea. I'll try to get a couple diagram's made up this week so that you guys can get some made. There real simple and the wood one's do the job, but if they aren't done right they'll crack.

As for you Jeff. You can stop by my shop anytime next week and see my new car. It is a 2005 GRT on a Chevelle Stub. It will be in a bare form as I have to get it to the powdercoater next week. I also have all the bolt on's for it. I don't recall telling anyone on WhoWon that I bought a new car? I paid half for the car back in mid August and started advertising my car to get a jump start. Why didn't I build those body's? For one, the first one I was going to build, the guy that bought my car and I decided it would be faster if I ran up to Performance Bodies and picked up a body. I still have not heard back from another guy on doing a body, last I knew, he was getting his car ready for the powdercoater. Stop on by big man.

Good Day MalibuMan, Leaf, Istock66, Istock66jj, 66jj, create another username please.

Leaf
Dirt Full Roller

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posted October 22, 2005 07:44 AM  
Wally,

your the one who follows me around posting after me no matter what I post.

Im not interested in seeing or hearing about anything of yours, your stats, your cars, you or anything else, the infatuation is a one way street on your part. You have stood next to me supposedly at marshalltown where I was racing you were watching and didnt say a word, your all talk on the internet obviously.

You drive past IMCA tracks to race in a full a mod with a hobby motor with a bunch of other want to bes.

I guess that explains why you search all over the internet for where I raced each weekend since I raced at 13 diff tracks and in special events unlike you and your small time hick class at one track.

Grow up. As Ive said a million times to you I could care less about you, you are 5 hours from me and race in a nothing class with no noteworthy events or noteworthy names in it.

you can stop posting your childish junk all over the internet anytime you choose, your not so perfect your a complete liar.

where was you turn key new stock car you traded for a 434 all year?

your new car has been posted about since august, sometimes youve got it sometimes its on its way.

you post how you supposedly build bodies,lol thats commical at best.

you built your first motor last winter, we read all about it in your stupid posts on here . but now a few months later your an expert on all motor building things..

I suppose if lived at home with my mommy and daddy I might have the time to follow someone all over the internet also on their computer.

Stop by my website STALKER its continuosly getting updated.. with cars I do build and have built!!!

next time your at a track Im at feel free to introduce yourself this time rather than post about it later on the internet.
www.jnjfab.com

Xtreme12x
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posted October 22, 2005 10:38 AM  
Hey Jeff, still nice to see you're making an A** of yourself on here.

We never traded a 434 for anything, we traded a 406 Shortblock. Brian Edel now owns the car, we ran it a few nights but simply did not have the time to keep up on it.
I have built several race bodies for Modifieds. There is a picture down below of a set of doors/quarters I did for my car last year. I do not lie, never have. I really don't know what motor you think I built over the winter. The first motor I built this year was a 6" Rod 355 that I built in April and ran ALL YEAR. That's right, It never blew up. It won a few races too. If you think that the 360 Mod class is easy, build yourself one big shot, your such the 'fabricator'. Come join us. I'll also snap you some photo's of my new car so you can get some Idea's. All it takes is a simple call to Mark Elliot to find out that in fact the car is mine.

"a bunch of wanna be's"- What do you call yourself Jeff. You are lucky to even make the show, let alone finish. Congratulations you ran 8th a few weeks ago.
How many races did you win last year, including heat races, B-Mains? That's my only question for you.

[This message has been edited by Xtreme12x (edited October 22, 2005).]

Xtreme12x
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posted October 22, 2005 10:50 AM  

 
For all of those waiting for those tools, I'll shoot some pics here in a the next hour. I've got some s**** metal that I'll cut and make like the front of a sail pannel, and then i'll do a little bit of a wheel well also. You'll be able to see how easy it is to do.

A side note, you'll want to do your wheel wells before you make any other bends or folds in the doors/quarters. Hopefully next week I'll have the new aluminum tools and some drawings of them so you can take them to a machine shop and have some made. You will want to make a set out of Wood first, and then from there you can tweak the tool how ever you like for the desired look.

The wheel well tool needs to have a pretty solid end on it to, because you'll be wanting a pretty tight bend on it.

I uploaded a pic of the last body that I built. It's hard to see the wheel wells, but after I folded them over, I bent the whole wheel well in, not the front out and back in.

Xtreme12x
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posted October 22, 2005 11:56 AM  
Alright guys, I got some pics. If you want all of them, send me a PM with your E-Mail addy and I'll shoot you the pics. They are uploading right now, so for now I'll give you dimensions.

For the tool to fold the edges in the wheel wells, I used a piece of 1x1 wood.

Mark one end, and measure from the edge (Long ways) in 1/2 Inch. If you have a chopsaw, your cut will be cleaner. Cut in to the half inch mark. Depending on the thickness of your blade, you should be able to only make one cut. I taped mine up because it started to break. As anything, like a sheet metal brake, the tighter bend requires a tighter edge.

To use the tool (These will go along with the pics).

Cut your wheel wells out
Take the tool, and start at one edge and work to the other, bending the metal up as close to 90* as you can. Once you have it close to your 90*, take a good solid rubber mallot and run it from one end to the other making your bend 90*, and then more and more. Once you get it down flat, smack it good from end to end. Now, what I like to do to get real good flat bends, is put on a good solid metal top table and smack hard from one end to the other.

Now the Larger tool to make your flares can be done any way you like. For larger flares, cut in further, smaller, less. I used a peice of Treated 2x2, and cut in about an Inch. Now, where you cut in, one edge of the cut you will want to radius so that when you make a bend, it doesn't make a crease, but more of a gradual bend. Work this tool the same way as you do the other tool.

Not too hard, I'll put a pic of each tool up here, and if you want all the pics, send me your e-mail in a PM or post it on here.


Xtreme12x
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posted October 23, 2005 06:35 PM  


 
Here are the two tools. As you can see, there crude but get the job done. I sent an e-mail with all the pics to those who requested them. If you want them, send me a PM.

Thanks
Xtreme

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