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Author Topic:   Best chassis for "all" track conditions?
UFnARacing
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posted September 27, 2005 09:45 AM  
I need some input on this one. I just moved from the West (Nevada) to the Midwest (Oklahoma). I'm going to buy a mod, so I'm starting my normal hard work BEFORE I purchase. I've been watching lots of racing around here and it's become apparent to me that some chassis' seem to be faster at different track conditions. Back West, there are more dry slick tracks, BMS and D&M are pretty fast. Here in the East they run a lot more tacky, seems like Dirtworks, Hoffman, etc. run good, haven't even seen a BMS or D&M. There are also some local built types that run good, like Billsbuilt. But, I'm not sure how easy it would be to get them fast on dry slick.

That being said, I plan on moving back in a year or two and I'd like to buy a car that I won't need to sell. So..............which cars seems to be adjustable enough to run good on both tacky and dry slick? Someone may say that you should be able to adjust any car for both, but I'm thinking that there are some chassis' that are easier to adjust and run better than others at the same time.

What do you think?

Also, if anyone knows of a good/fast complete mod for sale in the OK/KS area, drop me a line.

Thanks,
Randy

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chickenlittle
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 64
posted September 27, 2005 03:52 PM  
Hot chassis out of LA seem to do well. We have about 10 of them at our track in CO. They run real well on both dry slick and tacky. They have a lot of rear weight percentage for the dry as their cage is set back on the chassis. Go to this web site. This guy has several used chassis. http://hometown.aol.com/imcamod11/home.html

He is the Hot chassis west distributor. Don't actually run one myself but they out run me on a regular basis at our track.

andykmod
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posted September 27, 2005 07:44 PM  
Any chassis as long as you know and understand what to do and when to do it.

holeshot
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posted September 27, 2005 08:32 PM  
harris is good all around.

Toywagon
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posted September 28, 2005 09:57 AM  
Your not that far from Jerry with Hoffman race cars in Orogono Mo.

We run a Hoffman car in Wichita ks. and Jerry's service is unbelievable. Ive never been in anything else since I moved into a mod, and we are very happy with him. I am a new driver to the mods, and we have already started winning A features, and consistantly run in the top 5 with this car.

We run the MCcrearys for imca shows, and run the Hoosiers in NCRA over in Wichita. Our biggest challenge, besides being new to these cars, is not knowing or understanding the adjustments to make, and when to do them. Jerry's baseline gave us a great starting point that made us fast out of the box, and he is always helpful when you have questions. We raced the supernationals again this year, and learned so much just watching Jerry, listening, and asking for help. We are very happy with our choice of Hoffman Racecars.

Jim Pearcy

Kromulous
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posted September 28, 2005 01:11 PM  
I'll try not to be biased and wont give a brand name either. I would stay away from a car thats designed to flex alot, any of the over rail cars basicly.

The new trend on slick tracks seems to be making the chassis flex alot, via the over rail design. I would think that on a tacky track they wouldnt be as good. That or the chassis would fatigue alot faster racing on tacky tracks, even part of the time.

I hear D. Scwartz has 2 cars because of this, one an over rail, and one an under.

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted September 28, 2005 02:38 PM  
Cars that flex alot will only be good for 1 or 2 seasons if that. After they flex so much they dont work good at all no matter what they do. I had a light weight car with some flex built into it and it was very fast the first year and after that it was just an ok car no matter what was done to it. I build a car that is safe fast and maybe a little heavier than some others but they are fast no matter what stub they are on or what suspension.

Fastride 38
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posted September 28, 2005 03:18 PM  
I feel a flexable chassis is good on either surface. You may have to free it up some for a tacky track but what chassis don't you have to do that to??? Also, I designed and built an over the rail car and flex wasn't what I was looking for. If your going to build a chassis for flex you would design it in the front when tieing it into the main cage. If you made the front part(which is the majority of the chassis) stiff I don't think the little flex you would get in the back would affect the car enough to notice. Besides, mounting more weight to the top of a modified helps roll and it gives plenty of clearance for the rear suspension to work no matter what you are doing.

UFnARacing
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posted September 29, 2005 07:17 AM  
Thanks for the replies..........andyk, I knew someone would say that! I guess the biggest thing that the car would need is to be light. On the dry/slick you need more rear %, so you want the ability to move or add weight without being too heavy.

I'm actually leaning towards a Hoffman, I've heard and seen really great things about them lately. I've read on here before that most of your decision making process when buying a new mod should be based around tech support/customer service. Right now, it seems like Hoffman is the best at that.

Since everyone seems to be stuck on this flexing issue lately, how "flexy" is a Hoffman chassis? I guess my second choice is either a BMS or a DW, what about those?

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Xtreme12x
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posted September 29, 2005 07:22 AM  
Have you looked into a GRT? The guys down there are very helpful. I got a car from them and got the rundown and more as far as setup, setup changes, changing track conditions. Well built cars also.

36modracer
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posted September 29, 2005 07:40 AM  
we have a 04 hoffman car here in central illinois. only a couple around the area and the other one was a frame we had. we bought the car this past winter, one year old, and the guy won one track championship with it and 3rd at another track and many feature wins. while we dont have the motor and Im not as good of a driver as the last owner , weve improve our program a bunch with this hoffman car. as previously stated jerry is very helpful when it comes to trying different things or what to change. we had many top 10 qualifying efforts(and i **** at qualifying) and many top 10 features, many starting far back in the field. won a few heats and semis as well. i think if we had more motor we would have been better. were going to stick with this car another year and hopefully buy a new one after that or buy a new frame and switch stuff over but the first time i drove it this year, it was the best car i ever drove. weve run GRT cars since 98 and just didnt have the luck or hook up with them. support wasnt that good either however i understand they have new people in place. id give jerry a call.

iowaracer6993
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posted September 29, 2005 02:17 PM  
if i was u i would go with skyrocket there alot money but good car same with kraft car
but skyrocket u cant buy new one u have be on waiting list kelly shyrock has but there people saleing older cars u can get them and get them freshen up and u will have a kick *** car on any track u go to but its also the driver and how u set it up


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Originally posted by UFnARacing:
Thanks for the replies..........andyk, I knew someone would say that! I guess the biggest thing that the car would need is to be light. On the dry/slick you need more rear %, so you want the ability to move or add weight without being too heavy.

I'm actually leaning towards a Hoffman, I've heard and seen really great things about them lately. I've read on here before that most of your decision making process when buying a new mod should be based around tech support/customer service. Right now, it seems like Hoffman is the best at that.

Since everyone seems to be stuck on this flexing issue lately, how "flexy" is a Hoffman chassis? I guess my second choice is either a BMS or a DW, what about those?



Burnout
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posted September 29, 2005 04:39 PM  
Jerrys Cars go great on tack and great on black slick,Tec support is second to none any time of the day or night all you have do is call Jerry or Jesse for Tec Support,Hoffman Race Cars,Jerry Hoffman 417-673-7426 or Jesse Stovall 417-239-6830,Jerry has a couple of Good low show run trade ins 4-bar cars fo sale. Jesse won 19 features so far this year on black and tac 1 USMTS at Bolivar Speedway and The Larry Phillips Memorial Race at I-44 Lebonon.

dirtbuster
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posted September 29, 2005 09:01 PM  
No doubt the Skyrocket cars are good but if you buy a used one you might plan on having it updated or redone because they are built pretty light and I think they wear out pretty quick especially on fast hooked up tracks.

rcndirt
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posted September 30, 2005 03:55 PM  
We have run a dirkworks DW8 for three years. it has done us very well on all types of tracks. the key, as said earlier, is to understand the car and the different setups you can do with it. we change ours to a 4 bar in the spring and late fall, (Tacky). we put a 4 bar 2 bar combo in during the slick months...

FS93
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posted September 30, 2005 09:26 PM  
Yes, I've started to hear a lot about the Hughes, but I'm actually in the market for a used turnkey car and there aren't a lot of Hughes around that I can afford. I don't think he's been building them that long so there are a lot of "newer" ones, but not older ones. Haven't looked at the TRE cars, didn't I see a website somewhere?

Even though I'd like to be fast here right out of the box, I'm still a little worried to go with a "local" chassis, in case I do go back west in a year or two.

I live 40 miles north of Tulsa. I'll probably run Tulsa Speedway, Mid-America in Coffeyville, maybe Humboldt KS and Enid. Not real sure.............need to get a car first!

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2nd2none
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posted October 01, 2005 07:39 AM  
Give Bobby Bills (BillsBuilt)a call, he might beable to point you in the direction needed for a turnkey modified. He builds one **** of a car, for a "home built" chassis Brian Franz ran 5th in Clinton, OK's $20,000 to win show a couple of weeks ago and Kenny Sweet jr. finished 9th, both in BillsBuilt chassis.

Brian Franz and Johnny Allen used to drive Dirtworks house cars, they both switched over to BillsBuilt last year.

http://www.billsbuiltracecars.com

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