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pbrcowboy2
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posted September 19, 2005 08:27 AM  
any body using a 73-77 chevelle stub with a 4 bar z-link in the a-mods??? just wondering cause thats what im using for next year. if so how is it working 4 u?

Xtreme12x
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posted September 19, 2005 08:44 AM  
CUSTOMPERFORMANCE correct me if I am wrong.. But I think that the stub is actually a Monte Carlo, but is pretty much the same thing as a chevelle. Get the front springs as light as you can without bottoming out the front shocks and you'll be good to go.

chapa73
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posted September 19, 2005 10:32 AM  
Our factory stocks are still using those frames,I think they are a good frame,They are just a little heaver than others on the front end.

Also as far as parts,The 73-77 monte carlo,and cutlass are the same,except the monte car center link is a little different,but is still interchangable with the others.

The Chevelle and the Cutlass are the same center link.

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted September 19, 2005 11:12 AM  
12x you must have been confused with another post.

Xtreme12x
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posted September 19, 2005 11:16 AM  
Nope, I figured you'd say that the stub he has is a Monte Stub which is the same thing as a Chevelle... But, I'm probably wrong on this one...

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted September 19, 2005 03:58 PM  
73-77 monte and chevelle stubs are the same its the earlier years and later ones that were the same.

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted September 19, 2005 04:00 PM  
It should be a good car but the best cars right now regardless of who makes them are on a old chevelle frame 68-72 or a later small metric frame. Every frame has been tryed over time and this is what most go back to.

jeff
Dirt Roller

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posted September 19, 2005 10:18 PM  
Probably a dumb? But why are the older chevelle frames better? I see that builders that haven't used them before are now giving guys that option.

pbrcowboy2
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posted September 20, 2005 07:33 AM  
i took my car which is a 94 to ron sardeson and he said it was in excellent shape so he is going to leave the underslung on, i wanted to cut it out but he said NO!!! but he is going to give me a new body redo the front end with updates and massively redo the rear clip with 06 updates for 1/4th the price of a new roller!!! car hasnt realy been raced that much....

next question do i really go as light as i can on the front springs and also what do i do to get ready to run this 4 bar z-link rear?

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted September 20, 2005 11:38 PM  
Regardless of how good of shape this car is i still wouldnt spend the money on a 11 year old car. You would have a much better car with one newer regardless of make and type of frame. Lighter with more rear % with less lead and more updates.

Xtreme12x
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posted September 21, 2005 05:56 AM  
If your going to get serious about racing you would want to upgrade to a 2000 and newer chassis with the latest technology, and something safer. I don't know how well you did this year in your B-mod, but I know anything older than a 99 DW-8 Can't hold water in the IMCA A-Mod class here in town.

ford5
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posted September 21, 2005 06:15 AM  
Not always true.. I know a very well known veteran mod driver from right here, that ran a 94 Champion Chassis this season at our track here, and won 5 features with it, beating the best out there with all new stuff. It was a simple floated wishbone with a lift arm. It was also the nicest looking car too, as this guy is a sheet aluminum expert fabricator. I know this to be fact as I help him with engine\driveline building. By the way, this car is currently 4 sale as a roller. Anyone interested I can give his # to. It is a good starter car for sure!
Ask KP, he seen it run when he was vacationing with me from New York!
ford5

ford5
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posted September 21, 2005 06:19 AM  
Also, this guy previously had a 2004 Victory and was sponsered by JR Motorsports and year before that a 2003 Harris. Neither car was as light or produced as many wins for him as an 'old' Champion Chassis.

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted September 21, 2005 06:31 AM  
5 you seem to have done better with your new chassis than the old ones you were running. Some old ones maybe good but what people forget is the tubing used in a race car rusts from moisture from the inside out. May look good but is a 11 year old chassis gonna protect ya when you really need it too? Thats a chance I wouldnt take and neither should anyone else.

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posted September 21, 2005 06:35 AM  
5 racing must be way different in your neck of the woods than over here in central Iowa in IMCA country. Here an 11 year old car isnt gonna keep up regardless of how nice it is with all the 2000 up mods of various makes. Cars that do all winning are 2000 up and a few older ones around 98 up do well once in awhile but not consistently.

chapa73
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posted September 21, 2005 12:36 PM  
I had an old Flexi Flyer that never hit the track till last year,The car was built in about 92,and it never would do much of anything,This year I built a new chassis,Based off of a DW-9 and some tech help from Custom Performance and this car is 300% better,I would love to sit in a car that was built by a pro.

In my opionan if money is okay,go with something newer,even just a bare chassis and use your parts,you would be very surprise how much better it would be.

ford5
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posted September 21, 2005 07:07 PM  
Then how many years is a car good for before the tubing rusts out from the inside? Is there a timetable here?

Yes Rich, it is different here, more like USMTS rules (hardly any) We always jokingly say that the only rule that is ever enforced is, You must pay at the gate to enter your car!
I've been to your tracks.......seen your races.... you have never been here and seen ours to my knowledge anyway. You were invited several times, never showed?


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posted September 21, 2005 09:27 PM  
If a car has been raced hard and 2-3 nites a week and is more than 5-6 years old I would get a newer one. I I know of someone that changed late model frames after about 5-6 years cause of the reasons I stated. Areas they had replaced/repaired from crunches were thin in spots when cut out due to mentioned reasons. I am still working nites and was working weekends but right now were on a layoff and it leaves my weekends free cause i just work m-f 8 hrs a day. I run 2 lasers at John Deere. Still do the racing stuff but interest isnt as strong as it used to be cause it seems the cash flow some people had a few years ago isnt here now and the ones that do have it are not buying as often either. I am going to try to make it over soon as i can.

Xtreme12x
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posted September 21, 2005 11:29 PM  
Ford5 whats this mod drivers name. In order to compete top 10 in the USMTS you need to be on top of your game, and I haven't seen any 94 Champion cars do squat.

ford5
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posted September 22, 2005 05:57 AM  
his name is Dan Chapman, he lives here in Clarence, Rich knows him.
There is probably alot you have not seen?
Chapman is currently up to the fall Jamboree and is driving a 97 Champion Chassis..keep an eye on his results.
A couple years ago he won the Justin Stanfield Memorial race at West Plains MO. in a 97 Champion, 8000K to win race.
He also won my Uncles Memorial race here at the Cedar County raceway this year in July. This was the 7th annual event I put on and added extra money to the purse. He had a 94 Champion Chassis at the time.
If you have never heard of him, you don't follow much Modified racing around here, his record speaks for it's self. He is also known as The Flying Embalmer. As he is a certified mortician and owns and operates multiple funeral homes in this area. A nicer guy you will not find. The last Harris car he ran, he sold to Marty Clark, the Judge.

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