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Author Topic:   LIFT BAR & PULL BAR "IMCA"
GRTWallbanger
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posted July 31, 2005 10:51 AM  
Has anybody been told they cant run both??Even if the lift bar is ONLY for braking??We where told last night we cant run both.I argued that the rule says "1 traction device (lift bar or pull,not both")The key word is Traction device. We are going IMCA racing I need to know if i need to change it.

HarrisMod#30
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posted July 31, 2005 11:58 AM  
nope, they wont let you run both in IMCA either.

badfastjr
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posted July 31, 2005 12:00 PM  
we dont ever run imca but since hes only using the lift bar as a braking device wouldnt that still be legal the way the rule reads.

old racer
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posted July 31, 2005 02:37 PM  
In our converstions with IMCA they asked why we wanted to use this set up. I replied that it was to help get the car in to the turn without being loose, the reply was "exactly, that is traction whether you are on the gas or the brakes. They went on to tell me that I ran a modified and not a latemodel and there was still to many linkages being used on the rear of cars in my class. IMCA specifically wrote the rule to get rid of the Pierce and Skyrocket type suspensions." ..........It's not legal by IMCA's definition. Good Luck

5tbone
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posted July 31, 2005 03:04 PM  
Couldn't you use brake floater's in place of the lift bar for braking and be legal.
I don't run IMCA sanctioned so I'm not familiar w/ all the rules but I think they allow brake floater's.

worldcom
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posted August 01, 2005 07:16 AM  
This is a stupid rule IMCA put in specificaly to try to slow down Kelly Shryock. Number one when they asked why you wanted it you replied incorrectly. I would expect to be shot down if that was my answer. The only reason I want it on my car is because it settles the car down under braking. If it is illegal then nobody should get to run brake floaters. They do the same thing, put a force on the chassis under braking to aid in controlling the car. I wish alot of idiots I have drove against had this on their cars because it might help them be a little more under control. Between this and the short panhard bar rule I'm not sure which makes less sense! I put the IMCA bar on my Skyrocket instead of the short bar that you get on the car and now I have way more roll in the car. They didn't eliminate anything by changing the panhard bar length. The shorter bar actually limited the movement of the chassis to keep it under control. Anyway it's just a matter of IMCA throwing a fit about Skyrocket cars. Next year they will just put in the rules no chassis with the word "sky" in them. That would be more simple.

superdave
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posted August 01, 2005 10:31 AM  
Sheesh. You think the whole of IMCA racing rules revolve around a guy who doesn't race IMCA and builds a handfull of cars a year? Get over yourself and realize a few things. Simple cars cost less, require less motor, and promote parity. Complicated over engineered cars start spreading the field out not because of driving, but because of technology. It's called buying a win. Tough to sell tickets to watch a runaway race of overpowered cars. Door to door racing keeps tracks open. Racers lose interest and go broke trying to keep up with the latest trick whatever ideas.

Racing is a contest of drivers not chassis technology. Every time you figure out how to stick the car better you spend more money on tires and engines and other go fast stuff that adds zero to the show or the parity of the class.

The panhard bar rule did what it was supposed to and that was slow down the reaction of the cars that was causing lots of contact and crashing. The cars were all over the place. For every guy that was smooth enough to make the short bar work there were 5 more that were hittingi every and anything.

donslink1
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posted August 01, 2005 02:44 PM  
GRTwallbanger, They told us to take it off our car too.
IMCA rules for 2005 are different then 2004.
2004 read pull or lift bar not both, So people were saying that it isnt a lift bar, It doest do any lifting
SO 2005 reads no chains or straps alowed on the rearend except on lift bars.
So you cant have a chain on the end of your brake bar and if you do it is then a lift bar and you can have both..
IMCA told Bob Pierce last year that it is easier to slow his cars down then speed everyone else up, Not just his cars but cars with that rear suspension

GRTWallbanger
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posted August 01, 2005 05:06 PM  
I guess i will take off the lift bar, but not sure what way to go on the pull rod.Rubber on both ends seems simple, and the show cars are fast this way.I wonder if they checked for pull bars with 2 springs!!!
They will after i call them this week!!!!

andykmod
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posted August 01, 2005 07:31 PM  
Wow, you got away with it over half the season atleast. Some tech we have at the place huh!!!

donslink1
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posted August 01, 2005 09:06 PM  
We didnt run it the first couple nights and then we asked pink hat if we could run it.
we told him it was in place so our drive shaft wouldnt come out when we let off the gas.
LOL. and he said by all means run it. Two weeks ago I saw #27 come over and look under our car and then Jache told us in the line up for the feature we cant run it and we told him what pink hat said, So he said he would talk to him about it.
and last sat. Jache came up and said pink hat never said that, When he said it right to our face. but what can you do but take it out, It dosnt make that big of a diffrence, that we could tell anyways.
Its hard on the Pierce pull bars because we dont have any rubber snubbers at all. When it snaps back it is solid.

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted August 01, 2005 11:37 PM  
have you considered the Afco 2-way pull bar?? It supposedly eliminates the need for a pull-bar and lift arm combination, and its also IMCA legal. I don't have one so I can't tell you how they do from experience. I did notice on Kelly Shryock's car Saturday at Batesville that he had an Afco 2-way pull bar AND a liftarm??? I noticed the chain for the liftarm was loose and had tape all around it, and I did not see a spring on the lift arm for braking??

Anyways, the Afco 2-way bar may be something you guys may want to check into.

GRTWallbanger
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posted August 02, 2005 09:01 AM  
Hey Donslink,
Was it the black #27 or the yellow.
You know the black #27 is Beaver Dam FAMILY up there!!!!

donslink1
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posted August 02, 2005 12:04 PM  
Oh I know he is family and that is the #27 I was talking about!!!

GRTWallbanger
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posted August 03, 2005 04:21 PM  
I just talked to somebody that runs different tracks and some ARE IMCA.Here is the arguement.The set up we use has a pull bar for traction and a BRAKE bar for Braking.
We dont have a LIFT Bar.It does absolutly no lifting!!!!!
The arguement worked at some tracks but i am gonna take 1 off......

donslink1
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posted August 03, 2005 10:00 PM  
the only thing you can have a chain or stap on is a lift bar, So a chain on your brake bar is not alowed.

GRTWallbanger
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posted August 04, 2005 06:14 PM  
Your right Donslink
Looks like they got this covered!!!!!!!

P.S.Good luck this week at Power Com.
I dont think you will see us there anymore.

donslink1
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posted August 04, 2005 06:34 PM  
why not??? that too bad, Im with ya if there was a place closer, We would be there but this track is right in my back yard so Im stuck. lately I dont know what there problem is but, even if they get a crocked fart they black flag Eddy, or they cant read our number, our body being too wide. we have a brake bar, our front bumper is 1/2 too narrow, our nose piece has fins, our croch belt is only looped twice instead of 3 times...
But anyhow where you guys going

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