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racer17j
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posted March 22, 2005 04:57 PM  
Never seen that many bars on a car before either. It's gotta weigh 3500#.

zeroracing
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posted March 22, 2005 05:10 PM  
That looks to me to be a really long swing arm set up. I can not tell if it has lower mounts on the rearend also. If it just has the uppers then it is a swing arm 2 link if it has the lowers, which i think it does just hard to see it is a really long wishbone set up/swing arm spring location.
That car looks increadibly heavy, do to the amounts of tubing, clamps, large amounts of unsprung weight....
Also if you notice the rearend has very little room for movement. up and down.
What kind of torque link did it have, i would love to have seen it up close.
a few problems i think that would be experieced would be
1) lack to adjustability, i mean heck it would take huge rear springs.
2) lack or drive(little thrust to the car)
3) weight.

maybe it works great for taht driver but looks like something i would not want.

sdracer12
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posted March 22, 2005 05:17 PM  
Ummmmmm........ What the??????? lol

I've never seen anything like that before. Maybe somebody is trying to create something totally new? I agree with Zero, looks like a lot of built-in problems.

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Racer111
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posted March 22, 2005 05:30 PM  
Rear shocks look like there fully extended.One thing for sure they learned how to bend pipe while buiding it.

Ego Racing
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posted March 22, 2005 05:42 PM  
With enough spring on the bar to hold the car up how much flex would be in that bar????? Also the stiffer spring react sooner softer springs react slower so a spring that stiff would be beating the bar apart. I bet the bar diameter would also change the spring rate on the tire.

fastdad12
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posted March 22, 2005 06:15 PM  
Ok here we go, Back in THE OLD DAYS, we used the long truck arm out of the 68-72 chevy pickup. The cup cars also used a similar deal when they first came out on some of the local dirt tracks they were "the stuff".
This is very similar, the spring was mounted on top of the arm, and the high tech cars had a screw jack on top of the left rear to jack wedge during the race.

andykmod
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posted March 22, 2005 06:40 PM  
"Holy Bars Batman" That's one wild chassis alright, hate to get hit by it, looks like it weighs a ton.

dirtee1
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posted March 22, 2005 06:49 PM  
the rr arm has got to be at least 72" long it is past the back of the block, I agree holy bars batman

wissota3x
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posted March 22, 2005 07:01 PM  
3500 lbs my *** !!!! Lets go for 5000!!! Someone is sure having fun reinventing the wheel. He's gonna need that jail house roll bar the first corner when the car decides it likes the turn one wall.

racer17j
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posted March 22, 2005 07:03 PM  
think about that thing breaking at the spring and jabbing into the ground at high speed... pole vault

zeroracing
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posted March 22, 2005 07:46 PM  
correction xtreme i think the car was built for low speed. just joking. maybe that is why so many bars?

zeroracing
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posted March 22, 2005 07:47 PM  
Another thing, he has about 1000 bends in the chassis, but note the front bumper??? why not bend it like a regular front bumper? i guess wore the dies out while bending the cage.

andykmod
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posted March 22, 2005 08:29 PM  
Never thought of it as a jail but it does remind me of it.

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Ego Racing
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posted March 22, 2005 08:47 PM  
I think it is an asphault car. The track bar is on the right side. We built a car like this once for asphault and it was fast but we put the springs on the rearend. I dont' see any benifit in running the springs up front. I think he had so many bars in the back he didn't have room for the springs.

racer17j
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posted March 22, 2005 09:05 PM  
looks like some pile I'd make the mistake of buying.......... LOL!!!

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted March 22, 2005 09:59 PM  
look what it says on the bottom of the door LOL!!!!! the way it looks the only thing he'll be whoopin is himself in the head for wasting his time building that rolling stink bomb. LOL!!!

IowaFuzzy1
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posted March 22, 2005 11:14 PM  
It's too bad that you didn't get a picture in from the side over the rear wheels.There appears to be linkage from both sides going in towards the rear and there dosen't appear to be any type of pull bar or top link.Where was this car from and where will it be racing?
I wouldn't make too much fun of this untill you see it run. Someone obviously put some thought into this design. I'm not sure about cornering but if you do the geometry and think about the leverage factor,it auta hook up bigtime down the straights.
I personally would like to see this unit in person and talk to the designer about his theory.
I do think that I would want some kind of safety strap under those arms incase of a failure,because that would be an EXCITING ride to say the least.

Kromulous
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posted March 23, 2005 07:09 AM  
I agree, i would pay money to see this car run, and maybe drive it. I wouldnt discount it without seeing it in action anyway.

With the FWD links being that long, the car would really transfer alot of weight back when on the throttle. As well it shouldnt pick up on the front end alot, because of the leverage being so great.

The car probaly just squats in the rear alot, and goes fwd. I would guess it would be really tight on power, throttle push.

Only thing i dont see from the pics, is how the car has any rear steer in it at all. As well judging by the bars it has suspension limiting bars over the rear end housing.

Take a look at the size of them springs as well, there huge. I bet 1200 to 1400 lbers easy.

very interesting to say the least.


sixmod
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posted March 23, 2005 07:18 AM  
should go down the straights well if you notice it has a big block in it

A&M Motorsports
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posted March 23, 2005 07:39 AM  
What ever it's used for, I bet the owner is proud of it. I just wonder how much tubing they screwed up with all dem bends.

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Ego Racing
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posted March 23, 2005 10:02 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by racer17j:
nope it's a dirt car we don't do any of that sissy follow the leader asphalt stuff here in iowa only one track in the whole state and they get like 20 cars total. the thing that would realy concern me like 12x said that bar break'n he will be running that car on a couple tracks that are very well know to have some car swallowing ruts and whoopty doos on um at times

I do not consider any racing sissy stuff. We ran a 632ci 1100hp Aluminum big block in a 2200# Mod at USA International Speedway once and after 4 laps we were running over 180mph going into the corner. The body was bent afterward from the air. They would not allow us to race it because of some top speed rule they came up with.
I LOVE all racing Dirt and Asphault. All require tallent and ability.

hoosierdaddy48
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posted March 23, 2005 10:37 AM  
we have a guy at our track that runs a cadilac thats over 500ci, its a bada$$ down the straights, the guy built the chassis on his own and i bet it has twice the bars as that car along with gussets, oh and the motor is lucky to get 2 runs on it as well, it sound good tho.

zeroracing
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posted March 23, 2005 10:52 AM  
i looked up the name online and it says he is a 360 limited driver so... are you sure it is a big block?

irace74
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posted March 23, 2005 07:19 PM  
i'm not sure that an 1800 # spring would be enough. The calculation I learned for figuring spring stiffness on a swing arm has the total length divided by the spring to pivot length squared times the desired spring rate. If I am not mistaken, for a 200# spring and the lengths involved we could be looking at a 3-4000# spring!!!

The car looks interesting but I think that the weight is very forward and I don't know what that will do for the performance of the cer, in general, we are looking for rear and left side. I don't think that this arrangement does it for them. I do however honor their risk taking. Maybe they will find something that we all forgot, maybe not, and they will confirm what we all think we know.

ryan
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posted March 23, 2005 09:01 PM  
You all may be in luck I noticed another car at the show is sjakes(#8 street stock) so maybe he knows something about it.

awkwardjeff
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posted March 23, 2005 10:27 PM  
My thoughts are on safety for the driver... the chassis looks to be so strong that in a crash nothing will bend. Back in the 80's guys were dieing out east in the modifieds that rules needed to be put in place for conecting the front clip the the main cage. Guys would hit the wall and be hurt or killed and the car was ready for feature time after bolting on a few new parts. Without crush zone all the energy is traslated directly to the driver....

I just don't think I would like to hit a boiler plate wall with that chassis...

hiredgun
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posted March 24, 2005 07:23 AM  
Calculate the motion ratio on that baby!
That would be funny if goes out and spanks every ones **** .

rpm20
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posted March 24, 2005 09:07 AM  
i would love to see the scale numbers and spring rates, looks like all the weight transfer would be to the front ............can you say loopy the spinout king ??

sixmod
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posted March 24, 2005 12:10 PM  
the track he races at moved to imca so he pry moved up look closly at the headers they are big block headers.

Rook78
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posted March 24, 2005 12:21 PM  
I hate to criticize anyones hard work, but geez!! This thing looks like it could plow thru anything. I do kind of like the bars around the headers tho. Could have saved me a few bucks last year.

chapa73
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posted March 25, 2005 10:39 AM  
That car looks like it could rip threw our pure stocks,And they are kinda tanks!

Well,ya know how they say,put wight up high,well,he prolly has 50 lbs behind his head,

Did you notice the light-wight seat!!

At that point,I dont think 3 lbs was gonna help any!

outlawstock17
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posted March 25, 2005 11:52 AM  
that car isn't resting on the springs. look at the orange bracket in one of the rear-forward shots. that bracket is supporting the weight of the car.

the bumpers may have been made that way on purpose to give anyone a flat that he gets to rubbin' on with them.

looks like a piece of chit to me.....but it would be a blast if it was capable of spankin' the latest super deluxe, tricked out, ultra lightweight, titanium clad, well hung, top of the line, computer designed, primo engineered, overpriced aftermarket chassis...

Ego Racing
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posted March 25, 2005 06:41 PM  
He could be running in a Figure 8 Race? Would explain alot about the chassis.

racer17j
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posted March 25, 2005 09:11 PM  
anyone ever figure out what it was, and if its doing any good?

racer17j
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posted August 02, 2005 05:47 PM  
Now Now boys, be nice. I know this car... it's off the Oopsquakee Indidian Reservation in Omaha. She's sponsored by the John Deere Tractor Company and has Twin Flamastrat's in her panties. All that tubing is Apache .020 wall Sintered Carbon Fiber slaked with Krypton the total weight is only 26lbs. She's special built to win Destruction Derby's in interstate competition and expected to take many scalps. I THINK SHE'S PURTY!

iowaracer6993
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posted August 02, 2005 05:55 PM  

who builds those cars if i'am thinking right those would work very well on dry slick track if i seeing right and thinking right how could i get hold of the chassis builder

quote:
Originally posted by racer17j:
he averages about 12-13 in a 15 car feild


spiirit
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posted August 02, 2005 06:14 PM  
Now Now boys, be nice. I know this car... it's off the Oopsquakee Indidian Reservation in Omaha. She's sponsored by the John Deere Tractor Company and has Twin Flamastrat's in her panties. All that tubing is Apache .020 wall Sintered Carbon Fiber slaked with Kryptonite, total weight only 26lbs. She's special built to win Destruction Derby's in interstate competition and expected to take many scalps AND I THINK SHE'S PURTY!

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dirttruck75
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posted August 03, 2005 09:40 AM  
Talk about a set-up nightmare. No trailing arm angles and what ever happened to articulation in a rear suspension. Looks like a giant ladder bar rear. My roadrunner has ladder bars and it will pull a tire off going in to a gas station. The outside rear that is.

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thebomb
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posted August 03, 2005 11:10 AM  
so 17j, you have actualle seen this car in action?

racer17j
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posted August 03, 2005 04:50 PM  
Someone went to alot of work building that car but it dont look too safe to me witout any crush zones in front or rear. looks like a guy would get hurt or killed in it before the car ever got bent. Also looks like it has got to be heavier than any other car out there with all the bars and the big block in it.

happy
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posted August 04, 2005 05:34 AM  
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