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posted March 10, 2005 06:53 AM  
Something i have been thinking about, Mods are a support class for the most part. When they hit the track, most fans go to the can or the concession stand. Except the pit crews and families for the most part, there are some true blue diehard Mod fans.

My idea is to make Mods a true main event type class. Make them fast, Handle better and spruce up the looks of them abit.

Outlaw Modifieds:

Steel Block
Stock front clip, Tube lowers allowed, stock spindels.
Tru coil overs, double adjustables on the rear only
8" spoiler
Quick changes, wide 5's allowed
Aftermarket front brakes allowed, wilwood etc.
Aluminum parts allowed, bird cages, calipers etc.

Biggest change would be the tires and rims.

Aluminum rims, 10" wide max.
Beadlocks on all 4 corners allowed.

Then a tire change something like a SLM tire but a little Narrower and smaller diameter.
Maybe a 28.50 max dia and 10.00 max width.
and make about 3 or 4 compounds legal, somewhere along the lines of D55 Hoosier LM tire.

These changes would make the cars extremly fast, and something the fans would love to watch i think. I know i would and maybe draw more folks into Mod racing.

Payouts would need to go way up, maybe $800 to $1200 to win on a regular show.

You could run this class as "Outlaw Modifieds" then another Mod class as "Sportsman Modifieds" leave them the same as they are now.

What do you think, and would it fly? Its just an idea, thinking out loud kinda thing.

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posted March 10, 2005 07:14 AM  
At most of the tracks around Dallas, the IMCA/UMP modified is the main attraction.

I don't imagine promoters really want to pay for another "premier" class nor can they afford it.

Personally, I'd go the latemodel route before I went the "outlaw mod" route.

The new hot thing in this part of the country is the limited modified. Basically a plain jane stock car with a modified body on it. Promoters love these things. They look like real mods, almost as fast, and they pay them less money.

Dirt Maniac

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posted March 10, 2005 08:09 AM  
Where are you racing that $800-$1200 is going way up? I hope your car cost is cheap there.

On a side note there is something along that lines called GLOM, only a little more radical. They allow sprint car wings or large sails.

- When in doubt, hit the gas.

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posted March 10, 2005 08:22 AM  
We have outlaw modifieds, there called USMTS. Anywhere when the Mod's hit the track EVERYONE and there dog's are watching. Even our Limited Mod's (B-Mods) In Iowa are one of the primier (SP) classes. Every year at the end of the year there is a race that they let anything go on the modifieds, big wings... whatever you can put on it goes.

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posted March 10, 2005 09:15 AM  
We race in Southern Ohio, Northern Kentucky and some Indiana.

Payouts here for a win are usually $500, some places $400. So going up to 800 to 1200 is almost double for us. Usually $75 to $100 to start the feature.

I get the feeling that Mod racing is alot bigger out west and the south west. Mods around here are a support class at best, Sprints and LM's rule. So i think we get the short end when it comes to the dollars.

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posted March 10, 2005 09:29 AM  

Here is a true "outlaw" modified that used to race in MN in the mid 80's. These cars were unlimited for the most part. Quick change late model tires on the rear, the only thing missing was fuel injection. They were nearly as fast at Outlaw Sprinters and faster than unwinged sprint cars!

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posted March 10, 2005 09:32 AM  
out west it depends on the track.....mods and sprints. both are premier classes. most of the latemodel drivers have moved down to the mod class thus driving the cost way up. where i race the average to win is 500.00 and of course the cars range from 10,000-25000. we get the same pay as the latemodels did here in can keep dumping more and more money into the mods, but they will never be latemodels and never get the payoffs up.

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posted March 10, 2005 10:08 AM  
I have noticed that the LM fans support the Mods better than the Sprint car fans. Some sprint tracks we run the fans actually boo the mods because they dont like them.

That open / outlaw mod is neat, i dont look all the spoilers etc but there fast.

Why are all the LM guys dropping down to Mods if the pay out isnt any good? I dont understand that one. Around here you can almost break even with a LM outfit, once you get rollin.

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posted March 10, 2005 10:17 AM  
Krom, you gotta get up this way. I grew up watching sprinters and still love to watch them. I know Ohio is kind of a hot bed for Sprint Cars, always has been. Here in MN the tide has changed. Our sanctioning body runs them, but they are really not too hot of a ticket. A lot of people here complain about the length of shows when they make appearances because most tracks are not really set up for all the push starting. In WISSOTA land Late Models are the top class, over sprint cars. But Modifieds are as popular as Late Models.

Southern MN and Iowa sanctions USRA, which is an offshute of USMTS same basic car as WISSOTA but they use the hockey pucks WISSOTA uses Hoosier. The USRA mods are a very hot ticket down there, I think even more popular than Late Models, but yet, the money is still not there for them.

Dirt Maniac

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posted March 10, 2005 02:35 PM  
most tracks in Oklahoma mods are the big show,and if not the main attraction,they are up there.

Dirt Full Roller

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posted March 10, 2005 06:45 PM  
In Kansas its the modifieds that are the show. Local money is around $600-$1000 to win.

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