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Author Topic:   Plastic Brake Lines?
Kromulous
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posted March 08, 2005 12:36 PM  
Anyone know of a company that makes a plastic brake line kit?


Thanks, Krom.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 08, 2005 12:57 PM  
Performance Bodies.

flowers99
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posted March 08, 2005 12:58 PM  
Harris has the best

Wildside17
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posted March 08, 2005 01:50 PM  
I used the kit from Performance Bodies, it is a push lock instead of using the farrel type you screw together. Worked great.

mod_racer98g
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posted March 08, 2005 02:18 PM  
All star makes a kit works great!!!

donslink1
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posted March 08, 2005 02:59 PM  
smiley's sells them too

Racer X
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posted March 08, 2005 03:16 PM  
Got mine from Speedway motors.

24KC
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posted March 08, 2005 04:37 PM  
I ran the Speedway kit last year I wasnt real impressed with the line itself. The line from Allstar or Bicknell seems a lot easier to work with and higher quality.

dirtracer14
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posted March 08, 2005 05:33 PM  
The allstar one has real nice lines it was ferral but super easy and the line seemed thicker!

sdracer12
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posted March 08, 2005 09:38 PM  
The Allstar kit has better plastic lines. They are more flexible than some of the other kits I had used. Works great, been using their kit for 4 years now and no problems.

twister
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posted March 09, 2005 10:50 AM  
Go to a parker store. I bought 100 ft of line, enough fittings to do four cars and it came to $41.00. Have not had any problems and I run the plastic lines all the way to the calipers.

Kromulous
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posted March 09, 2005 10:55 AM  
Whats a PArker store? never heard of it, sounds like a bolt company or a hard ware store.

uforacing51
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posted March 09, 2005 11:20 AM  
A true dirt racing fan knows Parker stores used to sponsor Donnie Schatz in the World of Outlaws series. they may still but I wouldn't know cause tv doesn't covor the WOO any more cept on SPEED and I ain't paying alot of extra money for one channel to see racing.

MOD 4s
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posted March 09, 2005 11:46 AM  
parker is a hose and fitting company, like gates and weatherhead

sdracer12
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posted March 09, 2005 10:15 PM  
Bingo. And thats why the Allstar kit comes with Parker brake line. It's good stuff.

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted March 09, 2005 11:07 PM  
I have a question.... the plastic line that you would get from a "parker" store or hardware store, is it any certain type of line? Meaning is there one made "just" for brake lines or will any plastic line with thick walls work??

Kromulous
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posted March 10, 2005 05:50 AM  
Yep, i found a Parker store in the area, going there to get the stuff i need. Thanks for that tip.

Dont have cable, havnt seen a WoO sprint race in years. So i dont know who sponsors who.

Also i was wondering the same thing FlyinLow, any particular thing i need to ask for? I read where this line can hold 1900 PSI, thats amazing for plastic i think.

I assume the fittings used are all compression fittings, correct?

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52mod
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posted March 10, 2005 09:22 AM  
Stay away from the nylon line kits. I believe the Allstar kit is not nylon.
Nylon itself is extremely hygroscopic and brake fluid is even worse! Every humid day and everytime you wash your car your brake fluid is slowly absorbing water.

andykmod
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posted March 10, 2005 05:35 PM  
I have run the allstar kit and is extreamly easy to use, i have never had any problems with them.

Ego Racing
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posted March 10, 2005 08:24 PM  
Road racing may also have rules about the lines like nascar due to when the rules were made the just made legal what the factory was making. Also they don't deal with 1/4 of the wheel travel we do on dirt. Look inside the braided lines you are using from the steel lines to the caliper it is the same type of plastic line. We have used it on asphalt and dirt and never had any problems. ALOT of WOO and most major Sprints are running it.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 11, 2005 01:53 PM  
For ease and a few other reasons the plastic kits are a lot better then any steel kit you'll buy. The steel has to be run, bent, and flared. Yes, there is line flex in the plastic but you have to know how to run your lines, and properly attatch them to the chassis. You can't just take the plastic line and put a couple zip ties on it and expect it not to flex. We run braided from the chassis to the calipers, thats it. I've never seen a problem running the plastic lines, and haven't heard anyone that we race with complain about spongy brakes.

The type of racing we do doesn't not involve hard braking like the road cars do, and when we need to stop there is plenty of power to stop the car.

Spongy brakes are caused by a couple things..

If your running thin brake rotors and stock oem calipers, you need caliper spacers. I failed to run these last year and had spongy brakes, I had no clue until halfway through the year to run them. The guy I bought the car from complained about spongy brakes too.

Improper routing and mounting of lines can cause them to flex more then they would if they were secured to the chassis with zip ties every 2 to 3 inches.


Steel line is hard to replace, if you wreck at the track and need to fix some line, its easy to carry a small roll of plastic line and fittings.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 12, 2005 09:53 AM  
How many races have these XRP racers won and how many years have they been around race cars?? I think my source is probably quite a bit better as far as knowing what is what. What type of car do you race and where at??? If he laughs go ahead and have in tell us why we shouldn't run plastic lines. We aren't road racers, we rarely use the brakes and if I remember right, when we do they always work for me.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 12, 2005 01:40 PM  
You go in a straight line buddy... what the heck is an A/C line anyways. I'll check out Xrp.com. Over 80% of the race cars that go out to door of succesful chassis manufacture's are plumbed with plastic lines. Keep your steel lines, I'm happy with my plastic and I am probably more qualified to answer the question then you, plus a lot of other guys on here are probably more qualified to answer it. It's from experience. We have never had a problem with bad brakes ever, not once. The first time I ever used steel line was on a hobby stock I built and we had more problems with that then anything else.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 12, 2005 01:43 PM  
Drag racing is also a completely different form of racing. I have never seen a plastic line break due to UV light. Try the plastic once, run it the RIGHT way, and you'll never mess with bending the steel line and trying to mount it. A plastic line kit is around 40 bux from most places, takes 15 minutes to run and hook up, bleed and go racing. Time saver, money saver, weight saver, and works just as good as your steel ****. Steel takes a lot more time to do, and if you don't plan on ever re-doing brake lines is the way to go, but plastic is easy enough to run and replace. Most guys replace there lines every year anyways.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 12, 2005 04:17 PM  
the lines that we use are not Air Conditioning lines. If I remember right there were quite a few Late Model, and Modified Chassis builders at the PRI Show not just your USAC and Straight Liners. If you think that I really don't know what I'm talkin about then you should get a clue. I know of quite a few boys that feed there family and make a living building cars. Looks like your barkin up the wrong tree. Your obviously from down south. You get really offended when I state facts and you've got to say how great you are. USAC is yes, an oval car so who is this guy you are a head crew chief for? Ask most people on here with modifieds and late models, they'll tell you what they run is plastic lines. There not conventional A/C lines like you think they are. We even use these on our oval track Go-Karts for brake lines.

How much would one of your brake setups cost us, from the masters to the calipers???

Xtreme12x
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posted March 12, 2005 04:18 PM  
And my crew chief was at the PRI show this year too. Cram that up your cram hole. Maybe you oughta go on over to Who Won, they might like your attitude better then we do here.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 12, 2005 06:51 PM  
You've got a serious problem... I don't think you've got much input for any of us here since you are so much better then us. Leave, go to your happy place since you are the greatest.

Wildside17
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posted March 12, 2005 09:05 PM  
First of all highone, if you are here to stir up **** then move to whowon, Second everyone has their own preference and what works best for one might not for another.
Go look at any big truck on the road today they don't have any steel lines on them it is all plastic and it lasts in most cases in excess of a million miles and that has to stop 80,000 lbs and at times more. If it were so bad then the feds would make the proper changes. Correct?

wfoondirt
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posted March 12, 2005 09:26 PM  
quote:
Go look at any big truck on the road today they don't have any steel lines on them it is all plastic [/B]

Those are air lines, and if one does fail it locks the brakes, not loses them. I don't run plastic lines simply because i've seen them melt in a fire and leaving a guy with a burning car and no way to stop it. I don't see whats so hard about running steel lines, you can do a whole in a couple hours and never have to worry about it. Your correct that brakes are not used as much on dirt as other types of racing, brakes are more of a safety device. I don't like to take chances of loosing brakes at 100 mph going into a corner. As mentioned earlier plastic line also allows moisture to enter the system, if you ever get you brake fluid hot enough to boil the water it will lock the brakes.
xtreme-Just because you haven't seen problems with plastic lines that does not mean there isn't a potential for problems.


Xtreme12x
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posted March 12, 2005 11:51 PM  
I don't ever recall saying that there were problems had with plastic lines, I stated we have never had problems. 2 hours to bend, flare, mount steel lines plus the material... For our race teams, and many around, it just isn't feasable. Air pressure is stronger then fluid pressure.

wfoondirt
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posted March 13, 2005 01:39 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Xtreme12x:
it just isn't feasable.

How so?

quote:
Air pressure is stronger then fluid pressure.

Stronger?? Pressure is pressure.

I have never seen an air brake system operate at 1200 psi like a hydraulic system is capable of.


Wildside17
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posted March 13, 2005 08:01 AM  
wfo, It just goes back to a drivers preference. What he or she is comfortable with.

Xtreme12x
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posted March 13, 2005 10:02 AM  
it isn't feasable to spend the better part of a night plumbing steel brake lines that can take me 15 minutes to run in plastic and work just as good. you really like to quote people don't you wfo. Air pressure is stronger then fluid and I don't think we are pumping tens of thousands of pounds of pressure through the lines. Guess we just have differing opinions but in the end all that matters is the checkered flag and i do know how to get there.

wfoondirt
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posted March 13, 2005 11:08 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Wildside17:
wfo, It just goes back to a drivers preference.

I totally aggree, and people should be able to understand the facts of a situation before making their decision.

quote:
Air pressure is stronger then fluid
You keep saying this, and have yet to give any basis for this assumption.

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Xtreme12x
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posted March 13, 2005 11:14 AM  
not going to get into it... you know all

mod_racer98g
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posted March 14, 2005 06:20 PM  
I've run the allstar kit for 2 yrs with just one problem broke the tack on right rear brake bracket and spun it because some driver went where he wanted after the checker flag. Was a quick fix with plastic just trim it off and put new nut on it. If i had steel would have been 3x's the work to fix it. Speaking of fire whats the chance of burning up both lines ???? nothing worse then tearing a wheel off. I know the plastic looks cheap but works great right to the wheels don't even need hoses if you do it right.

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