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RentOcrew
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Total posts: 126
posted February 13, 2005 09:21 PM  
I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the Falcon tranny. Had any problems? Good or Bad info greatly appreciated.

thebomb
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Total posts: 149
posted February 13, 2005 10:34 PM  
coulda been a fluke, but my bro broke his caseing the second race out, got tangled up with a guy but wasnt anything big,

joeltjen
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posted February 13, 2005 10:36 PM  
cant compair them as this is all i've used. going on the fourth year and never had the side cover off. just change the fluid ever other night.

NJantz
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Total posts: 755
posted February 14, 2005 06:51 AM  
I've had mine for about 2 seasons now. The only complaint I have is at times it is difficult to get into hi gear. Maybe it's just me!

Talk to Charlie Castle at Falcon if you ever have any questions or problems. That man is awesome in taking care of people and getting the job done.

Most people really like their Falcons and they are very reliable.

RentOcrew
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posted February 14, 2005 07:10 AM  
What kind of fluid do yall use? Anything special? I really appreciate the comments.

dluna
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Total posts: 334
posted February 14, 2005 07:38 AM  
I ran mine 1 full season thus far. I took two pretty good hits and it has held up really good. Pulled the bottom half of the LR trailing arm bracket out of the frame so was getting some SERIOUS rear-end movement one night. I put a new rear seal in and cleaned up the outside and it's ready go to this year.

I've used Drexon III fluid and change every other race.

I had a few problems with the clutch line when we first got it. I'm pretty sure this comes down to user error though. I'm not sure if all of these transmissions are the same, (brinn, bert, falcon) but I popped the plastic line I was using 3 or 4 times. If you happen to step on the clutch without it in Low or Reverse Gear, it must send a ton of pressure through the line. I went to a steel brake line for the clutch hose and no problems since. There appears to be some type of pressure release on top of the tranny, but I'm not 100% sure that is what it is.

The point where you attach the shifting linkage is really close to the case, but then again if I didn’t try to make my own linkage I probably wouldn’t have a problem. The factory shifter probably works great.

I think all three of these will hold up just fine in a mod. I got mine from Performance Bodies for $1199.00. That includes tax and shipping (same day of course).

dirtmod0
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posted February 14, 2005 10:16 AM  
We have ran ours for a full season and no problems with it, at first its a pain to get all the air out of the clutch line but other than that flawless.
We use Dexron 3 Fluid change it every other race.

zeroracing
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Total posts: 1875
posted February 14, 2005 10:48 AM  
i have used mine for 2 full seasons, only broke a rear tailshaft bearing, lost the driveshaft and it tore it up on the way out.
i use ford atf type f is what mine called for.
no complaints and plan on getting another in the future.

andykmod
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Total posts: 351
posted February 14, 2005 02:17 PM  
3 years on mine and had it gone through just in case, place that went through it could not believe i had that many nights on it. Only problems i had were the reverse detent pulled out to far and me and a buddy got brave and fixed it ourselfs (easy fix) also the allen head drain plug ***** *** I would not think twice about buying another one great units.

Wheels47
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posted February 14, 2005 03:58 PM  
Hey I bought a Falcon off off Ebay. How do you get to into gear and out of gear. Not really sure Iunderstand how the guy explained it. Any help? Jsut dont want to throw it in an tear something up.

dirtmod0
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posted February 14, 2005 04:02 PM  
its kinda weird, u pull the shifter closest to u forward all the way, push in the clutch, for high gear you get around 3000 rpm and slide her back to high gear while letting out on the clutch pedal, try not to over rev the engine
once u do it a couple times its more less natural

dluna
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posted February 14, 2005 04:40 PM  
If possible, put the car in Reverse or Low before you start the engine. Don't touch the clutch. Start the engine. Now you just do the exact opposite with the left foot that you would in a normal stick car. Give it a little throttle and gradually push in the clutch (do it as fast as possible to minimize wear on the clutch). Key point is to hold the clutch to the floor when you get the car rolling in Low and Reverse. When you want to stop, just simply let out on the clutch. For high gear (most likely, shifter closest to you – pretty certain high gear will be the TOP linkage point pressed IN on the actually tranny), get up to an RPM where it feels like the car isn’t gaining any more speed in Low, let off the gas, out on the clutch, bump the shifter from low down into HIGH. You are now in direct drive, and you don’t need the clutch until you have to slow way down. Can be a pain if someone is going REALLY slow on a restart!!! If you spin, you can try to pop it in neutral, but just try not to press in on the clutch (at least from my experiences…would pop the plastic line). I usually pop it out of HIGH when I’m coming off the track and coast as far as possible. Don’t touch the clutch. Try and get it into LOW, you might need to rev the engine to match. Then when you are rolling slow enough, press and hold in the clutch to continue moving. Just don’t do it too soon. Had a guy at our track slam it into first while coasting off the track then push the clutch in while going WAY too fast. Not sure if anything happened to the drive train, but he sure got a front bumper in the back from the guy following him.

Once you do it a handful of times, you don’t even have to think about it. Most say not to load the car on an open trailer with this tranny, but if you build up enough speed and fly up the ramps, you shouldn’t have a problem at all. If the drain plug still has the allen bolt in it, switch it out for a hex bolt so you don’t have any problems…cause you should change the fluid every other week or so…cheap insurance!!!

avenger 11
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posted February 14, 2005 06:46 PM  
Charlie told me that the type F fluid is the best to run in the Falcon,less slip additives than Dexron 111.


dirtracer14
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posted February 14, 2005 08:01 PM  
I ran last year with my first falcon. I can say this these things can take a beatin. I load all the time with the clutch and slip it. I lost a drive shaft coming of the corner really hooked up and it went and broke the ears off the inside had them welded up and ran the rest of the year just fine. Did i mention i stuffed the driveshaft into the rear a few times and gulled the tail up yep did that, clean it up new seal and away i went. Now not sure about the ease it into high gear most the time i slam it and it goes...when i try and ease it it grinds so i drive it home and away i go Thumbs up for me

Dustejr73
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posted February 15, 2005 08:16 AM  
after many broken glides i went to a falcon. they are a great trans except it is hard to get into high gear. we also have a real problem at our track with restarts, we have a lot of people who think it is cool to brakecheck people coming out for the restart. the only other complaint is the linkage is too close to the trans, it does bind sometimes. i have the factory linkage also. other than that they are great. i never changed the fluid, but i will start now.

21racer
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posted February 15, 2005 06:10 PM  
i got a used falcon and ran 2/3 season last year. i jammes the driveline into the seal first night put in a new seal no problem. i was using dextron III fluid was blowing out of vent all the time changed to type f which is thicker no more problems with that. the drain plug is no good work twice now i take out the bottom tailshaft bolt to drain . i also change fluid every other weekend

RentOcrew
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posted February 16, 2005 05:16 AM  
Does anyone have any contact info on Falcon? i.e Web page or phone number? Thanks for all of the great input.

NJantz
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posted February 16, 2005 06:49 AM  
http://www.wintersperformance.com/catalogs/FalconRaptor/default.html

717 764-8269

If you want any technical advice, talk to Charlie Castle.

Wheels47
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posted March 11, 2005 04:43 PM  
Used to running clutch type tranny........we are trying to bleed the line, will it have resistance like my clutch and throwout bearing use too? We cant seem to get it to build any resistance. Clutch pedal just goes to the floor.

Wheels47
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posted March 11, 2005 04:59 PM  
Forgot to mention that we have oil with no air coming out of bleeder.

x13jc
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posted March 11, 2005 07:42 PM  
same as most I've read in here....tranny has worked awesome. I use type F fluid and change after every race. Absolutely no problems, but I cut my teeth on my father-in-law's Bert in one LM and a Brinn in another LM, so the transition to the Falcon was just like rding a bike! I agree that you should turn to about 3K in low and then release the gas, clutch and pull back all at once. Don't hammer on the gas when you are in low because it will burn the clutches up FAST!

Wheels47
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posted March 11, 2005 09:49 PM  
Finally got a pedal. It seems to be ok.. Can you get this in high gear with engine running?? We jacked the car up in garage and run it up to around 3000 but it grinded trying to get into high. We just quit until we bring it out of the garage.

Thanks for any input.

Also it seems very hard to shift into any gear.. Is this normal??

thanks agian.

Wheels

PS: how tight do you guys run the adjustment on the top of the trannt. The one for the (I Believe it's call the indent ball). We had to losin it about 2 turns from where it was at to get it to shift at all.

Thanks Wheels

nvracer
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posted March 12, 2005 09:14 AM  
It would be next to impossible to get the car into high gear with the car running in a garage without damaging the tranny gears. It's not worth it.
I loosen up the allen until it shifted much easier. It just need to be stiff enough to keep the tranny in the gear your in.

sanderson10
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted March 12, 2005 06:40 PM  
They are hard to shift into high right away. You can't shift them on jack stands into high gear b/c you dont have any momentom to carry you. What you do is shut off the engine then start it w/ it in high gear. Oh and those little balls are called detent balls we have never had to adjust ours.

Jason

Dirt-Tracker
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posted March 12, 2005 09:37 PM  
Hey guys.....im used to running a clutch with throwout bearing. The clutch setup with my falcon seems more comparable to a brake pedal.....is this normal. Has no give to it. Just dont want to tear it up. Thanks

flyin353
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 49
posted March 13, 2005 06:39 AM  
the clutch pedal will only move about an Inch adn it does not feel or act like a standard clutch.

Put the thing in and let it eat...they are good trannies right from the factory and you shouldn't have to adjust anything.

rikyt74
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 24
posted March 13, 2005 04:03 PM  
I use Redline Oil High Temp fluid in my Falcon and have no problems. The Falcon is much better than having a clutch for sure.

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