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Author Topic:   Why are Shaws and GRT so tough at Batesville ?
155fan
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posted December 08, 2004 04:49 PM  
Hey , is there a trick setup that they've found or just too many of em that combine all their info together and make em real tough ? Seems as if you get a car to turn in real nice and scotch up real quick that you've got it there , but what's the ticket to do that ? Those Grts have a Jbar real low down on the pinion and pole and that's not what I would think would make that car scotch up from the middle and fly off (car rolls over more like that though??) ? I would think either jackin angle in the jbar or just use the straight bar to get your middle off but the Jbar should make the car roll freer thru the corner ....right ?? ....is that the deal since it's all about momentum there ? Them Shaws get jacked up on both sides 4bar and fly thru the corners .....is that their ticket since the track stays so smooth that the 4bar gets em thru the corners with the 4bar rt. and then the 4bar lt. drives em off real nice ? Thanks for any info !!!!

fr1
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posted December 08, 2004 06:36 PM  
You have to remember that is their home track. They test there a lot and they both buld a good car.

155fan
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posted December 08, 2004 07:04 PM  
Yeah , I know they test there alot .....but you got any tips or comments on what to do to get around that place real nice like ? It will be either a Lightning or Dominator chassis that we'll bring and we don't have any baseline deals for that place . Cars are very universal ....so we can bring whatever the best setup deal we need with some sound input . Thanks

moprmike26
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posted December 08, 2004 09:45 PM  
The answer to that one is very simple: MOONEY STARR

sdracer12
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posted December 08, 2004 10:28 PM  
I'm no expert, but we have ran at Batesville, and there are several things that define that place. MOMENTUM, is huge. Also, corner entry is very major. Your car has to be pretty free into the corner so you can roll in really deep, and the track is so wide you have plenty of room to race and keep your speed up.

We also ran a higher gear there than we first thought we needed. We figured out you need to keep your rpm's up to get the car going again, without losing rpm's and lugging the motor, which would slow corner exit speed.

The J-bar or left/left bar is mounted low and flatter to keep the car more settled into, and through the corner. With the lower roll center the car seemed to keep the sidebite, but allowed the car to turn in a nice smooth arc. I think that the speed and weight transfer helps to put the cars "back up on the bars".

Wayne Brooks helped us out alot on setups, and yes, the Shaws and GRT's are very very fast at Batesville. The local competition there is very high quality, and the track can be very tricky to get the hang of.


155fan
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posted December 11, 2004 08:50 PM  
How are the guys springin the cars on the right side with the jbar deal flatter ? Are they runnin the rt. side springs stiffer or softer on that deal ? One guy told us that he kept gettin stiffer on the rt. and got better every time but that was a straight bar though . Thanks

racer17j
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posted December 11, 2004 09:10 PM  
That nite we saw Jeff Taylor flyin into the turn either low , middle , or high and that car would just roll over like the rt. side rail was diggin in the ground and then he would just scotch up ...........and GONE to the next corner to repeat the same . We wondered if you would have to spring the car stiffer because the car would want to roll over more with the low roll center on the rear or just spring it normal and let er roll to stick the rt. side ? Can you run a straight bar low on both sides and accomplish the deal also like the jbar ....it just bein a lil more radical or just go with the jbar and get on with it ? Thanks

norightturn
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posted December 15, 2004 06:29 AM  
Spring it normal, stick with the Jbar.

Xtreme12x
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posted December 15, 2004 08:19 AM  
I called GRT Today and got the low down on what makes them so fast. I can tell you all it's nothing secret,just old school technology re-worked.

WPP
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posted December 15, 2004 04:53 PM  
Tell us what it is i was at that race the only thing i know they were fast so was bloomer

Drdirt
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posted December 15, 2004 08:51 PM  
The reason is GRT and Shaw put good pilots in race cars that were designed by professional race car builders and not parts salesmen. The fastest cars are usually running basic set ups and not the latest gimmick designed by someone to get our money.I think Bloomquist could beat anyone if he was driving a milk truck. Experience is everything.

Xtreme12x
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posted December 15, 2004 09:11 PM  
Both cars are really just as good as the other. Like Dr Dirt said, there built and designed by professionals that know what it takes. I have looked over a GRT and Shaw both and would go with either. Just getting a better deal on the GRT. I called down today and talked to the guys at GRT and they were more then helpful on the phone.

jammin
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posted December 15, 2004 09:27 PM  
They do all the work in house now

jammin
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posted December 15, 2004 10:21 PM  
Does not matter where I am at duh... If I said that Harris had there work done by Shryock would you beleive me? IF you say no, then how would you know, your down south. The point is it doesn't matter who welds them together, the guy that is welding them at the shop or wherever isn't the one that designed the car jammin.

jammin
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posted December 16, 2004 08:54 AM  
reguardless of where they are built they still are fast...
Kinda funny about GRT Mods...they are not built at GRT, they are built by a small company local to GRT called Custom Plus....
That was the case years ago but now they are doing everything in house, from what i've been told at least.

jammin
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posted December 16, 2004 03:39 PM  
Could we not get into a pee pee contest and keep the valuable info comin ? Thanks Guys

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted December 16, 2004 05:17 PM  
I would say if they are doing the mods in house is it is easier to control quality of them during the manufacturing process. KMODS were done out of house and now they done in house also.

jammin
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posted December 16, 2004 07:20 PM  
The GRT mod with traction control that Jack Sullivan runs at the big Batesville Races is a tough car to beat also.

happy
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posted December 17, 2004 10:25 AM  
Do you think that was the same traction control Bloomer was using at the 100?

norightturn
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posted December 17, 2004 04:08 PM  
HUGE difference between bloomer and sullivan. Its really stupid that you cant even win a decent paying mod race without being accused of running TC. You cant even get credit for winning a race anymore for being accused of running TC. Plus you have the bunch actually running TC going "we run TC and he beat us so he must be running TC!" Sorry didnt want to get on the TC rant, but I figured I was due at least one.

bachshute
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posted December 17, 2004 05:15 PM  
if they were running tc thats not why they won , the good drivers will turn the same lap times with or without tc , its handling and driver , jmo

155fan - I"m not sure if you can run the straight bar low as they do the j-bar , seems like you could and the only diff. would be a little quicker reaction. I would think the spring rates would be the same .
would like to hear more on this if anyone cares to add anything .

badfastjr
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posted December 17, 2004 05:37 PM  
we run our straight bar very low in the car and it wrks very well..........the only thing is that you an have a ton of angle in it because it will be really erratic. I havent ever ran a j-bar but really like the straight bar.

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