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chomme
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 300
posted December 07, 2004 05:22 PM  
I'am leaning toward the whole dam* car being IMCA stamped!!! That what i think will happen next. What a bunch of monkeys.

donslink1
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 318
posted December 07, 2004 05:58 PM  
Monkeys is right, But they are not stupid monkeys, They are rich ones. HAHA
Did I ever say.. I HATE IMCA

de94wcc
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 87
posted December 07, 2004 06:07 PM  
I heard a rumor that Dirt Works and Harris already built prototypes three years ago. Don't you just love replies that start with "I heard a rumor....."! Seriously, what would you guys think of being able to buy aftermarket clips? Seems to me there could be some real advantages (cost?, safety, repairability). What do you think?

chomme
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 300
posted December 07, 2004 06:27 PM  
I think one of the major issues with mods will be the lack of stock frames in the furure. At some point we will have to go to a full fab frame as all the late model chassis begin to dissapear. All the new cars are being built with unibody technology, and stock clips are going to get harder to come by. I think that within 10 years or so there will have to be a radical design change in modified racing.

fastow
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 168
posted December 07, 2004 10:23 PM  
mod 70 yu are right on we have to look into the future it coming whether we want it or not lol. Everyone says they are getting so close to latemodels but myself as long as the engine setback and tire wheel package stays the same i think they will always be mods to me. These guys that don't like this new stuff i bet are of the same family that hwere running the 57 chevys in 1985. lol

norightturn
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 159
posted December 08, 2004 05:56 AM  
I think the fab front clip is a good idea as long as it stops there (ie. Stock lowers in stock location and stock steering components).

I mean as far as chassis prices go, we are paying almost as much as the latemodel guys are now anyway.

NJantz
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 755
posted December 08, 2004 06:22 AM  
The IMCA mod will continue to become more and more littered with "spec" parts. It's a way for them to get their grubby mitts in our back pockets under the disguise that they are just trying to keep things in check. It may be a buck or two or three on a $60 dollar wheel or $110 tire, but just like govt. taxes, they'll continue to gnaw deeper and deeper into your wallet. The govt. never used to tax everything under the sun either. IMCA is just getting started with their "spec" sticker tax program.

You wait, when they figure out no one is running a 19" j-bar then they'll make you buy an IMCA approved j-bar that includes their precious sticker and charge 3-5 dollars more for it.

It's easy money for them, and whenever people use easy money to supplement their business they get greedy.

And while I'm on it, just to prove that IMCA know's their claim isn't working is this:

In the past IMCA has relied on the claim to police their engines and basically had no engine rules. Most recently that has started to change and will continue to do so. For 2004 they introduced no roller cams, for 2005 they are introducing no stud girdles. So what will it be in 2006? If the claim really worked then why would they be worried about roller cams and stud girdles?


[This message has been edited by NJantz (edited December 08, 2004).]

brownstone
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 284
posted December 08, 2004 08:09 AM  
Just keep an eye on what Jetmod does. Picked up a chassis from a NE builder recently. The builder flat out old me that Johnny the Jet was the one of the chief complainers about the short bar and that his Jet mods were getting beat by them.

Additionally, I was also told that when the I-Stock rules were made it was a simple matter of the Jet sending over ther I-Stock and the rules were wrote to match the Jet built car.

Heard the same exact information from another crediable source at the Des Moines Auction over the weekend.

Also heard that IMCA has recieved countless call from Dirtworks conplaining about the rules and that IMCA was not looking forward to returning those calls.

[This message has been edited by brownstone (edited December 08, 2004).]

norightturn
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 159
posted December 08, 2004 08:36 AM  
As UMP found out quiet quickly, any further spec parts and engine rules will create a vacuum to be filled by creating another sanction that will base their rules on what the racers want to race. No stud girdles is just plain stupid.

chomme
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 300
posted December 08, 2004 09:17 AM  
I BET IMCA IS TRYING TO GET THEM TO PUT THE STICKER ON THEM TOO!!

Istock66
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posted December 08, 2004 04:57 PM           send a private message to dirtywrench13   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
Chomme, did I read your above post correctly. You have as much money in your mod operation as your brother does in a Winston West mid pack team??

I just want to make sure, because I am friends with Kevin Richards who ran Winston West up until last season and I do know what kind of money his car owner had in their stuff.

Greggie
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 298
posted December 09, 2004 10:12 PM  
I don't know what you guys are complaining about the sticker parts for... IMCA doesn't make any money off of those. The sticker costs these parts manufacturers $1.50. Its a 3M security sticker(you know, the ones that are supposed to be tamper proof) and they have serial numbers. That's probably pretty close to cost (the $1.50). Parts are NOT more expensive due to the sticker and if IMCA is getting kickbacks, then why in these catalogs are the non-stickered parts the same price as the stickered ones? Prime example: Speedway Motors... stock car upper A-frames, aluminum shaft IMCA stickered... $42.95... Non-stickered piece w/ steel shaft... $42.95.... Both the same price as I paid for modified uppers 15 years ago.

Aero wheels... 53 series(IMCA stickered) are actually less than their non-stickered equivalent spec wheels at dealer cost.

Guys, I won 2 track championships and ran with, if not beat, some of the best cars in my region throughout the year. I run a $25 set of studs and roller rockers and turn it 7200 - 7600 and broke no studs. You don't need girdles if that's all you do.

Greg

rrrrick
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 192
posted December 10, 2004 10:06 AM  
Chromme.... these cars are getting out of hand because of racers who try and spend their way to the front, not by any rule change made by IMCA.
IF you are running a IMCA modified you don't have to run lower control arm or spindle with the IMCA stamp or sticker, but you can if that is what you chose. I can still buy $37.00 rims with the IMCA sticker, or I can buy the $75.00 chrome.
If YOU are spending too much on a modified maybe YOU should evaluate YOUR program.
Me, I am cheap, I run cheap shocks, cheap rims and cheap engines, the only thing I have to buy the same as YOU is the same $98.00 tire,


donslink1
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 318
posted December 10, 2004 05:23 PM  
I disagree with you to a point. Now if you are running cheap motors, Shocks, rims and stuff and you are winning, GREAT!!! then we should all reevaluate our operation. but if you are getting your but kicked week after week, then maybe your doing something wrong.
Just my feelings. A lot of the fast guys dont buy expensive parts just because they have nothing else to spend it on.

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