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Author Topic:   Metric spindles vs Pinto Spindles
speedy3n
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 3
posted November 26, 2004 07:05 PM  
Have a metric mod with nova lowers and was wandering if metric spindles would work better than pinto spindles? I have pinto spindles already.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted November 26, 2004 08:13 PM  
the pinto spindles are stronger than the metric but it is hard to find the pinto's that is why they are 100.00 a piece

sdracer12
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 180
posted November 27, 2004 08:14 PM  
Pinto spindles are hard to find, and they may be higher priced, but they are stronger and worth every penny. Metric spindles are very soft, and the pintos hold up better.

nolimit92
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 97
posted November 27, 2004 08:22 PM  
If you are running a metric car use the metric spindles. I have ran the pinto spindle set up on a metric car and had to take it off. The spindle arms are quit a bit shorter then the metric and it throws your front end geometry way off. Plus you would have to build a stop for the pinto splindles because the make the car turn sharp enuff to hit your frame rails turning both directions.

Just my 2 cents
Mike

Kromulous
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Total posts: 796
posted November 29, 2004 07:40 AM  
When you run Pinto spindles on Nova lowers, it requires other front end parts to complete the front end properly.

Mainly the drag link, and pitman arms. The 68-72 Chevelle drag link & pitman arms are the one to use i believe, maybe someone can confirm that.

Pinto spindles are also lighter, and there shorter than metrics, plus the snout is about .250 lower (to the ground) than the metrics.

There are several reasons people run them, but they need to be set up properly to get the total performace from them.

Dman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 270
posted November 29, 2004 09:41 AM  
As far as the front end geometry goes pinto spindles screw up a metric front end.They are to short so now you have to run longer ball joints to keep your roll center where you want it.Longer ball joints are weaker so throw out the stronger pinto statement. The short steering arm on the Pintos makes the steering really quick,Thats a plus you will need if you run them.
AS far as being lighter, they aren't. By the time you get a caliper adapter and a granada rotor on unless you cut the Ford rotor down to nothing (the after market rotors are heavier than the OEM Ford). With a chevelle center link the bump steer goes nuts.The King pin angle or inclination is greater so you get more caster gain, you need to change upper a-frame lengths and the tires hitting the frame is instant push.
I have checked this. You can probably stand some of this on dirt but over-all you are really better off staying with the Metrics and run a spindle saver. Nova lowers help these problems but they are harder to find than chevelle lowers and they bend easier at the ball joint end especially when you grind or hammer the end to clear the rotors with the pinto spindles(same with the chevelles)unless you use a stock short lower ball joint.Anyway this just runs up the cost and difficulty level for the amateur racer on a budget.Keep it simple,keep it cheap,it will stay fun. Good luck!

Good Luck!

bachshute
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 118
posted November 29, 2004 03:32 PM  
Dman - I agree totaly , I have tried some different steering combination like pinto spindles on nova and metric arms but with a metric clip i always go back to all metric stuff , I think the stock parts have better geomentry , but hey i am a racer and i am always trying to improve something , especially steering geomentry , can the metric steering geomentry be improved ?? would love to know if anyone has found an improvement !!!!

MadMax1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted November 29, 2004 05:05 PM  
Im running a 70 t-bird front clip on a sidewinder frame -spindles and rotors are stock.Should I go with pinto spindles or what would benifit more?

HEAVY DUTY
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 36
posted November 29, 2004 09:45 PM  
PINTO SPINDLES ARE FOR A RACK AND PINION TYPE CAR.THEY HAVE BAD GEOMETRY FOR A METRIC CAR.THEY ARE OK ON AN OLD CHEVELLE WITH SHORTER PITMAN AND IDLER ARMS.THEY DONT HAVE GOOD FEEL ON A METRIC FRONT.THE METRICS TURN BETTER.USUALLY WHEN YOU HIT SOMETHING HARD ENOUGH TO BEND A METRIC SPINDLE,SOMETHING IS GONNA BEND ANYWAY.

Kromulous
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Total posts: 796
posted November 30, 2004 01:33 PM  
I stand by my original post, they are harder to get right but there fast when they are, right.

Nova Lowers, and different uppers as well as ball joints are all a must. Alot of guys run this set up around here and there fast.

Although you can save your self alot of trouble by running a chevelle clip, or a ford crown vic. That what we run, and i like em.

Dman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 270
posted December 01, 2004 07:42 AM  
OK.
I'll save myself alot of trouble and put a Ford Crown Vic clip on my car this winter.
GEEEEEEZ!!!!
Kromulous,How do you know whats better on a metric if your driving a Ford?

donslink1
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 318
posted December 01, 2004 04:32 PM  
YOU TELL EM DMAN,

donslink1
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 318
posted December 01, 2004 04:42 PM  
Now I just heard, IMCA said if you run pinto spindles, you can only run the after market ones that JR or someone is making that have IMCA stamp on them.
Man I hate IMCA, But like I said this is only hear say, But even if it is not true I still hate IMCA!!!

Dman
Dirt Freak

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posted December 02, 2004 07:42 AM  
Stock Pinto spindles with the Ford part number on them are still legal.

donslink1
Dirt Freak

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posted December 02, 2004 02:42 PM  
I stand corrected, Thanks

drt mod rcr
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted December 03, 2004 06:15 PM  
Why would you run a Granda rotor with the pinto spindle. Is there some reason as far as IMCA rules or just what you prefer.

f-man2155
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 5
posted December 17, 2004 09:43 PM  
I RAN METRIC FRONT END FOR TWO YEARS THE ONLY PROBLEM I EVER HAD WITH THEM WAS BENDING THE STEERING ARM I WENT THROUGH 6 ONE SEASON THEN I BOUGHT THE SPINDLE SAVERS AND ONLY BENT ONE THE FOLLOWING YEAR

Dman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 270
posted December 20, 2004 08:46 AM  
drtmod rcr, We run the Granada rotor because it is larger than the Pinto rotor so it stops better and the adapter caliper bracket is easily available.Some guys are starting to run a Pinto rotor re-drilled for 5x5. The problem here is the wheel bolt up surface on the rotor is to small for the 5x5 wheel and will break out the center of the wheel eventually. The Bassett wheel guys said if you run the pinto rotors run the smaller Ford lug pattern 5 x 4 1/2 so the "torque ring"on the wheel fits the hub surface or if you re-drill for 5x5 run a steel spacer for back-up on a 5x5 wheel. I suppose there is someone making a caliper adapter to put a GM metric caliper on this small rotor but I haven't heard of who yet.Most people I have talked to have fabbed their own from the granada/GM metric bracket. The smaller bolt pattern is not desireable though as it is weaker than the 5x5 wheel pattern. Dman

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