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Author Topic:   2 spd. vs. Brinn
FASTLAP
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posted November 11, 2004 04:46 AM  
Been debating on what tranny to run. Both have +'s and -'s. Is running the clutch setup worth the low gear restart capabilities? Moneywise, about even right? I run a good 355, so I'm unsure about the right combo to choose. Your thoughts?

NJantz
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posted November 11, 2004 05:43 AM  
Definitely go with the Brinn. They are simple, low rotating mass, and reliable.

zeroracing
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posted November 11, 2004 08:00 AM  
brinn bert or falcon!!!

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superdave
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posted November 11, 2004 09:31 AM  
One advantage to the two speed and a clutch is you can get it in and out of gear much easier than the internal clutch tranmissions. The curse of a racing program is cars spinning out and killing the motor because they can't get it out of gear or in gear to move fast enough. With a clutch you can keep the motor running and shift into low gear to keep racing instead of getting a yellow and going to the back.

Someone will say "I have no problem getting it out of gear...." I bet for every one guy that can do it right there are 10 that can't.

The flip side is low rotating weight of the internal clutch transmission and that's free HP for every engine you use. And they are pretty reliable in a mod.


There, didn't help at all did I?

Good luck,
Superdave

zeroracing
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posted November 11, 2004 10:45 AM  
most tracks i run if you spin out you cause a caution anyways. also if you spin and keep it going chances are you way behind and would like to have a cuation anyways.

dluna
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posted November 11, 2004 01:09 PM  
I definitely wouldn't base my decision on whether or not I will be able to get my car moving after I spin.

Other cars are pulling away from you because they have a better tranny in and you are trying to be nice to keep the show moving along.

Nice guys finish last in this scenario

superdave
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posted November 11, 2004 02:24 PM  
Many many times I have seen 2 cars spin and one drives away while the other sits and gets a yellow and goes to the back. The guy that drove away before the yellow came out got his spot back because we go back a lap.

rickbraley
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posted November 11, 2004 02:32 PM  
I would have to say go with the Bert, Brinn or Falcon. They appear to be extremely reliable and functional. I bought a used Bert 2 years ago and it has not missed a beat in 2 seasons. In fact, I am not sure what point I will need to rebuild it? Anyone know? I prefer to be proactive and go through it before a problem arises.

FASTLAP
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posted November 11, 2004 05:16 PM  
Ok, so I take it the majority (so far) says Bert, Brinn, or Falcon. Do any of you have problems on restarts in high gear when a driver in the lead position has a glide or 2 spd? You know, when they dog you to death then jump on it? Or do you just adjust your rear gears accordingly to make up the difference?

mod70
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posted November 11, 2004 06:56 PM           send a private message to FASTLAP   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
If somebody's dogging you, stuff 'em and shove 'em. Stick that nose under that rear bumper and push.

ford5
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posted November 12, 2004 04:54 AM  
the problem with any 2 speed converted OEM type trans is: you are using a 30 yr old + piece that was never designed to do what you are planning to put it thru. the price of a bert, brinn and falcon makes it a no brainer, in my eyes.
anybody that has bought a few powerglides will probably agree.
anybody that has destroyed a few muncie cases and input shafts would also be prone to agree
in some cases, you can't afford not to have an actual made for racing trans. (bert, brinn, falcon)
besides, if one guy you are trying to beat, has one, then you need one or you are very disadvantaged....you know, the knife to the gunfight senario?
JMO ford5

dirtbuster
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posted November 12, 2004 06:40 AM  
I agree with ford5. When there is a trany available like the Brinn, Bert etc, and now more reasonably priced than ever, that is definetly the way to go. The Hp and torque we push these days just doesnt do a stock tranny any good. The racing trans was made for it, light but strong, and honestly i cant remember hearing about anybody tearing up a brinn.

chapa73
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posted November 12, 2004 06:59 AM  
I would say a bert/brin/falcon,

On the 2 speed glide on a start,the falcon still has the restart,normally the glide stays in high gear once its rollin.
I have never ran a aftermarket tranny,I still run the glide,only reason is we have about 8 of them,and when 1 brakes,its costs me about 4 quarts of tranny fluid to rebuild one,as far as buying a glide,take the 800 you would pay for a glide and put it towards a bert/brinn,falcon.

leftturn73
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posted November 12, 2004 07:49 AM  
I'm in the same boat I have glides and really have not had issues with them. I also like the one/two start option. Note I run a 3 link, if I was to switch to a 4 link I would probably switch to a aftermarket trani. I also think alot has to do with the person building what ever OEM trani. I have seen people go through 3-4 tranis a year yet keep going to the same person for a rebuild. I have 3 years on a Bert Brown prepared glide and no issues.
Just my 2 cents.

backofpack
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posted November 18, 2004 02:15 PM  
whats a glide worth i have one with coupler and valve would like to sell so i can buy a bert rule change so we can now run them

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