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paulickr
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posted November 03, 2004 06:53 AM  
i just got the new speedway flyer and in it was a traction control unit that piggybacks on your msd box and can be hidden anywhere, they wont let you see a picture and they are selling for 700.00 or so.
so whats next for this sport , maybe we all just cheat and then make it legal. lol

i am going to stir the pot and ask what others think about this, also as you know we are all racing against this already at one track or another. i think we need to either police for these better and get tech. that is really up on checking for this or allow them to be used.

i am not using one now and dont plan on it in the future but was just put aside by the public offer and speedways capitalizing on a controverial issue.
thoughts???????

paulickr
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posted November 03, 2004 08:55 AM  
I JUST CANT BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE READING THIS AND THERE ARE NO REPLIES OR OPINIONS.................ARE WE SAINTS OR WHAT???

zeroracing
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posted November 03, 2004 09:41 AM  
they need to be teched more, they are already massivly out of had at many tracks.
now for only 700 and you can order it, then what will keep a track from having a local racer order one for them, then they know what to look for.
traction control is for people that can not control thier foot.
As far as speeday having it now for sale in the open, this will probally make them even more prevalent at tracks, but easier to catch, because many average racers will not hide it very well.

now for speedway themselve selling it, can not look down on them, they are a business and this is what they do. it would be the same as if they would not sell rollercams or rf shut off valves to certian people because thier tracks did not allow it. they are just making a living and thier is a market for it.

the blame for this falls on promoters, they need to find more ways to police the tc problems. it is just about impossible, but if you start ripping msd boxes out, and checking wireing then most average guy will think "they are bound to catch something" so they will not be as tempted to run one.



outlawstock17
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posted November 03, 2004 09:45 AM  
that's what this country is about....."capitalism". speedway identified a market and produced a product.

it's not speedway's fault that the market exists...

Kromulous
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posted November 03, 2004 10:27 AM  
Thats what the country is about... Capialism.

That says alot about the state of affairs in this country to me. Somewhere along the lines people forgot about ethics, and started to let money or as my dad says "the almighty dollar" control them.

Anyway, enough of that...

And for traction control. Tracks are going to have to tech more and get involved to nix it quick. Its just a crutch at best and for the people running it your just hurting your self in the long run by never honing your true race car driving ability by not driving a car straight up.

But the almighty dollar has alot to do with that i guess, again.

Majic Maker
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posted November 03, 2004 10:37 AM  
and their one of IMCA major sponsors,somethings not right or maybe im looking at this wrong

b4racing
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posted November 03, 2004 11:13 AM  
just outlaw msd boxes until they make them not excessible to be hooked onto. I know mels ignition is used in nascar series to control this as it it just a simple 2 wire hook up and if you have 3 your gone. Bobby

dirtywrench13
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posted November 03, 2004 11:26 AM  
GO AHEAD AND TRY A CONTROLL DEVICE, SOMEONE WILL EVENTUALLY CATCH IT. UNTILL THEN HAVE FUN. THE TECH OFFICIALS AT ALL TRACKS SHOULD BE KNOWLEGEABLE ABOUT CARS TO START WITH, BUT MANY TIMES THEY ARE AVERAGE SCHMOES OFF THE STREET THAT SOMEONE KNEW,AND NOW THEY GET TO WATCH THE RACES FOR NOTHIN.
THEY WONT LET ME BE AN OFFICIAL BECAUSE I'M A CREW CHIEF, THEY ARE AFRAID I'LL BE PARTIAL. IMAGINE THAT. AT LEAST I'D KNOW WHAT AN M.S.D. BOX IS. I KNOW A B-MOD DRIVER THAT GOT D-Q'D BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A G.M. (DELCO) PART NUMBER ON HIS IGNITION MODULE.THAT MADE A LOT OF GUYS MAD IN ALL THE DIVISIONS, THEN HE WAS THE ONLY GUY CHECKED THIS YEAR IN THAT CLASS.SUCH IS LIFE THOUGH!

dgb
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posted November 03, 2004 01:17 PM  
I usually try to keep my opinions out of my posts, but I guess this thread is all about our ideas and opinions. I think there should be a promotor claim on all the electonics in the car. - maybe $300 for every electrical device- ignition box, tachometer, coil, toggles, lights, etc. -everything, even the wires themselves. So that there's nowhere left to hide it. If it's got a wire coming out of it, it's claimable. Then, for a 25 car A-main, the promotor should throw like 100 chips into a hat- 25 of them representing the 25 cars. At the end of the main, a chip would be drawn. If your number was on the chip, you just sold all your electrical stuff for $300. With 100 chips- it keeps someone from getting claimed every week and keeps the promotor from buying quite so much stuff- should still be enough to keep people from cheating- until the systems become cheap enough anyway. I've thought about it, and that's the best idea I've come up with.

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cozmo
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posted November 03, 2004 01:34 PM  
No mater how much you tech cars for tc there will be people that still will be using it.

F1 got so fed up trying to tech cars for tc(and could never find it) they gave up and made it legal.

no mater what the rules are there will always be people out there that have the money to try and bend them

coz

zeroracing
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posted November 03, 2004 01:52 PM  
i can hide wires in the frame, and i dont think 300 would be enough money, i mean it should be enough to replace everyhting thta you would loose.

dgb
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posted November 03, 2004 02:11 PM  
Not trying to argue, I know there's no simple answer, and I know I don't have it, but those wires need to come out of the frame somewhere. If it's a wire, it's pulled out and belongs to the promotor. 300 bucks would discourage guys from spending so much unless they are willing to loose it. I'd be more than happy to unwire my car and sell my hei msd module and coil for way less than $300. My tach costs 60 bucks when I used to run one at all. I don't know why there is reason to have to have more than $300 of electronics on a dirt car at this level. You're right, you can't replace an msd for that, but that's the point. Hey- its' just an idea. Something's going to have to be done- I don't think spec is the answer. With cell phone activated remote devises and whatever else is out there, I think you have to go back to simplifying the whole system and looking at it as kinda disposable. So that every now and then you can claim it and throw it away.

oldfordmod
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posted November 03, 2004 02:45 PM  
Points and condensor, no boxes.

dirtbuster
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posted November 03, 2004 02:51 PM  
What about the guy that runs a legal MSD box, legal MSD distributor, good wires etc.. all the way to a full set of guages? 300$ wouldnt even begin to cover replacing all of that. In which case your penalizing a guy for running a better quality guage setup, or bigger tach etc.... and we all know how much faster a car with a big tach is. Besides the fact of what a pain in the a$$ it would be having to rewire your car all the way down to the backlight on your guages. And why do we need to discourage people from spending money on electrical stuff like guages and wiring... Does a fancy set of glow in the dark guages really make your car faster.
But seriously this mentality that claiming everything from engines to shocks to carbs and wiring is the answer is getting ridiculous. Claiming wont do anything. The fact is this stuff needs to be teched (including engines) I agree most tech guys either won't know what to look for or wont spend the time to look for it. Until promoters step up and get the tech guys the info they need or traning etc.. nothing will happen.

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dirtbuster
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posted November 03, 2004 02:57 PM  
Forgot to mention that i read somewhere that the latest in TC wasnt even in the car at all. It was a small chip/transmitter or whatever carried on the driver. No wires, nonothing just wireless control of the ignition and when the driver walked away nothing was left to find. or the driver simply tosses it out of the window on the way to tech.. etc.

norightturn
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posted November 03, 2004 03:13 PM  
As far as local shows go. I dont care if someone runs it or not. It doesnt make them unbeatable. It just makes you have to work a lil harder and drive a lil better to beat them.

dgb
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posted November 03, 2004 03:13 PM  

I'm not a TC expert by any means, but if the unit is remote, then doesn't there have to be a receiver on the box or somewhere? Would the chip be tiny? -Yes, I'm sure it would, but if ya take everything, then they're going to lose it. As long as it's not cheap, then this discourages it. The fact that gauges don't make the car go faster is exactly the reason they should be included. It's one more place to hide things and going overboard on gauges is unnecessary. I have no sympathy for anyone who spends $$$ on a bunch of stuff that doesn't make their car go any faster. With 100 'chips' in the 'hat' you'd only be getting torn down once in a hundred shows. I'd do it if I thought there was less of a chance I was racing against TC. I like the condenser and points idea oldford. If everyone had to live with NO electronics, I could live with that. It's actually a pretty decent idea.

zeroracing
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posted November 03, 2004 03:50 PM  
Your missing the point that it can be still hid or removable very quickly. i have heard of them in power steering pumps. so does that go too, i had somebdoy tell me that they can put one on anything or anywhere something spins with motor power. and not all are ignition, i have heard of some that add rear brake to the car.

it comes down to the tracks must tech, not only for tc but all the rules.

as far as gauges go, some guys like big ones so they are easy to see, I have to run a decent recal tach i run too many tracks to just be guessing my rpm.
what about the battery? will that go, good luck getting mine out, you have to just about remove the interior tub to get it out.

the only way to fix the tc and overall cheating problems is to tech tech tech.

i am not trying to seem like a jerk but just pointing out that taking off the electrics wont solve it, if its hidden it wont matter.

i think this speedway one is an ok deal, i would be willing to bet that most average racers would not concel it good enough and you would be able to catch it, then kick them out.


dogwalker
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posted November 03, 2004 03:51 PM  
Switching to a HEI only like Davis Unified would be fine with me, especially with a $300 claim. While they are at it, IMCA could also change the engine claim to $2,500, or $500 + swap, but I digress......common sense only goes so far.

zeroracing
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posted November 03, 2004 03:55 PM  
also i dont run an msd, i run regular hei, but will probally go to msd for next season or after.

dirtbuster
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posted November 03, 2004 04:13 PM  
dgb,
So you expect the promoter to claim for 300$ possibly 25 nights in a row. Thats a possible $7500 cash outlay. I cant imagine many promoters going for that. Plus what do they do with the claimed equipment? KEep it and destroy it or resell it and make a profit off of it??? They might go for that.....

And TC cant work magic. It wont take a bottom 5 driver and put him in the top 5. It still takes a smooth consistent driver. The gains we are talking about are tenths of a second per lap. Unless you run a lot of nonstop, 50 lappers those tenths arent. going to help much when you have 2 or 3 cautions in the middle of 25 lapper. I dont know whether we have raced against TC but honestly I really dont care. I dont feel like it is a big enough advantage to even worry about.

Again in my opinion there needs to be rules, they need to be enforced, and there needs to be better tech. That would solve a lot of problems.

dgb
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posted November 03, 2004 07:27 PM  
I know my idea isn't perfect, but neither are any of them. Guess I was just seeing what your opinions were, and I guess I heard some of them. Dirtbuster, you're right there's got to be tech, but if I trusted tech, none of this would be an issue. I don't know if I've ever raced against it, I personally doubt it. You may be totally correct that it's not that big of an issue, I can't tell for sure. As for hiding it, I guess I still don't get it. No matter what's removable or what's done remotely, the hardware would still have to be modified somehow too, in the box or elsewhere- that's what I was suggesting taking away. By my suggestion, there would only be a claim on average every 4th night.. so it would be 75 bucks a night out of the promotors pocket. Depending on how much of a problem it was, or how much the show was suffering because of it, they may think it would be worthwhile. Then confiscated stuff could be inspected thoroughly (by an expect- not by tech) then destroyed. At least that's how my dream plan worked. Thanks for the feedback guys, that's what a forum is all about. Lots of opinions and ideas. I'm sure some promotors read this stuff too. dgb

Istock66
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posted November 03, 2004 07:52 PM           send a private message to dgb   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
Dgb, thats a great idea, that way I sell my hei from u pullit (15.00), my wires (30.00) oh and my msd module (70.00).. for a good profit!!!

oh and Ill stop useing the msd module since I havent seen a diff from stock..

If they are selling a tc for 800, theres no way its very good.

dirtracer14
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posted November 03, 2004 08:30 PM  
This kinda falls back to a idea i had a few years ago....befor all the tech got out of control. You build a tech company that employs tech personal that get paid from the track(back gate $2 per car at the back gate). They would be somewhat like event staff only trained tech personal with updated info. They would have separate areas and rotate the personal so you do not have the same person at each track. I had it all figured out a few years ago and sounded pretty good. The tech is out of hand at allmost any and all tracks and needs to get taking care up.....if nothin else keep some guys from complaining all the time. Just some more of my crazy stuff i think about lol

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posted November 03, 2004 09:38 PM           send a private message to dirtracer14   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
I'd like to get back to the question of wether Speedway should be selling these devices. My first question is, was this being offered in the race catalog or in the street catalog? If it is being offered in the race catalog then I think Speedway has gone too far. They know that TC is not legal in any form of local racing that I can think of. The only ones who use it legaly are F1, and I hardly think that they are getting theirs from Speedway. If, on the other hand, it is being offered in the street rodder version of their catalog, then I really won't hold anything against them. If it's in their race catalog they should be taken out and flogged. I realize they sell some things like tire softener and such that isn't legal everywhere, but it is ok in some places, so why not offer it. TC is outlawed in all forms of racing that would order parts from them.

fastow
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posted November 03, 2004 10:56 PM  
Has anybody seen first hand just how good or bad this tc stuff really is? All I here is how bad this stuff is, its like is there guys out there useing it and walking away with all the shows ? Has any one seen anybody get busted with it or even seen it used in a practice or a cheater day. I think it would be hard to get used to not being able to use the power to work the car. Another thing how about anti lock brakes that might be more of a benefit than tc. I would like to lace our car with a bunch of fine wires just to get them all confused. LOL

FASTLAP
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posted November 04, 2004 04:43 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by mod70:
If it is being offered in the race catalog then I think Speedway has gone too far. They know that TC is not legal in any form of local racing that I can think of. TC is outlawed in all forms of racing that would order parts from them.

I was kinda disappointed when I got my flyer from Speedway. The first thing I thought was Speedway encourages cheating. I agree with mod70. Even though one of Speedway's marketing geniuses has identified a market in which they can sell more product and make more money, I think this was a bad area to explore. Being such a big supporter of IMCA, and being such a big source for modified parts (I've definitely ordered tons of stuff from them) I would think "Speedy Bill" should have considered upholding a certain image in the racing community that has supported him instead of thinking of the "almighty dollar" in this case. It's fairly obvious that he wouldn't lose his pants not selling this one item. That being said, it's impossible to find all the traction controls, so make them legal - but add 150# to the car in front of the firewall. Also put you ignition somewhere as to make it more out in the open so tech can do their job a little better looking . Still won't cure everythng, though. Lastly, how 'bout e-mailing Speedway to let them know this wasn't the best thing they have ever thought of. As for me, Day Motorsprts sponsors this site and Midwest has better hours anyway. Sorry so long folks, guess I got a little "tweaked" on this one.

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rpm20
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posted November 04, 2004 05:06 AM  
it was offered in the most recent speedway racing flyer.
maybe making it legal is what speedway is after here, and maybe this controversy is just what was needed to start the ball rolling, i am not a big fan of cheating or of tc as i said when i started this post but as you can see , we have all been holding our tongues on this issue for a long time and its time to make our voices heard and discuss this in the open forums we have for these things. ron

quote:
Originally posted by mod70:
I'd like to get back to the question of wether Speedway should be selling these devices. My first question is, was this being offered in the race catalog or in the street catalog? If it is being offered in the race catalog then I think Speedway has gone too far. They know that TC is not legal in any form of local racing that I can think of. The only ones who use it legaly are F1, and I hardly think that they are getting theirs from Speedway. If, on the other hand, it is being offered in the street rodder version of their catalog, then I really won't hold anything against them. If it's in their race catalog they should be taken out and flogged. I realize they sell some things like tire softener and such that isn't legal everywhere, but it is ok in some places, so why not offer it. TC is outlawed in all forms of racing that would order parts from them.



Dman
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posted November 04, 2004 08:36 AM  
Like usual the guys who run up front will have it.They are the ones who can afford it.
It is most needed by the "spinners" in the back that cause cars to get torn up because they can't control themselves.Itdoes not control the braking or steering.It controls ignition timing thats it.
I am not for it,but it is not going to win races by itself. Unfortunately technology marches on. We can't stop it. Look at what has happened to the modified class in the last ten years.Most of you have bought MSD units for 400.00 or more that you don't need. An HEI dist.with a good module works fine.We have all seen that,but it is not racey lookin. Going back to points and cond. is silly.There are only a few of us left that know what to do with them.Im glad there gone.Points are too sensitive to dirt moisture and voltage.Do you still have a dwell meter?


You will shell out the dough for traction control eventually.It is just the way racers are.If we think it will give us an advantage we will have it. WE RACE TO WIN! Don't kid yourselves.It isn't going to go away because we say so.

dogwalker
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posted November 04, 2004 10:27 AM  
I just read something interesting post on another web site about jacking the rear end of a car up and throttling it to see if any cylinders cut out ect. If it could be that easy to check for, it seems like people would be getting busted....if anyone is using it. Is this a valid method of testing???

superdave
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posted November 04, 2004 01:28 PM  
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FASTLAP:
I was kinda disappointed when I got my flyer from Speedway. The first thing I thought was Speedway encourages cheating. I agree with mod70. Even though one of Speedway's marketing geniuses has identified a market in which they can sell more product and make more money, I think this was a bad area to explore. Being such a big supporter of IMCA, and being such a big source for modified parts (I've definitely ordered tons of stuff from them) I would think "Speedy Bill" should have considered upholding a certain image in the racing community that has supported him instead of thinking of the "almighty dollar" in this case. It's fairly obvious that he wouldn't lose his pants not selling this one item. ..... As for me, Day Motorsprts sponsors this site and Midwest has better hours anyway.

I couldn't agree more. Really struck me wrong that they would sell something that is so full of controversy and illegal everywhere.

The simplest and smallest TC monitors how fast your RPM's are climbing and if it see's a sudden spike like spinning tires it starts killing cylinders until the climb is steady again. Needs power and a tach connection and maybe to your coil. Simple to do.

I heard (I hate even saying that) a while back that the Traction Control Detection (TCD) that MSD is using in their HEI module with TCD was being incorporated into one of their coils also. If that's the case then you could all keep whatever ignition you're using and tracks and sanctioning bodies could mandate just the TCD coil. IF it's actually being built.

Good luck,
Superdave


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istock59
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posted November 04, 2004 01:57 PM  
I think it's even more simple than that Superdave. Maybe all we'll have to do is buy a $50 TCD to hook up to our ignitions. Of course, about the time the TCD comes out somebody will come up with a TCD-bypass or something....

Here's a clip from MSDignition.com.

"This TCD circuit monitors the magnetic pickup input and if it senses that the signal has been modified it will set a trouble code and flash indicating that traction control has been detected! We have been working with different race sanctions to help them with illegal traction control systems and our TCD circuit is the answer."

And the link to them:
http://www.msdignition.com/news_2004/link_1.htm

And a pic of a TC unit on a MSD box they were testing:
http://www.msdignition.com/news_2004/image111.jpg

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dexter
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posted November 04, 2004 09:21 PM  
IMCA is going to mandate traction control, purchased only from speedway....

rpm20
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posted November 05, 2004 08:30 AM  
if thats true then theres the explaination on why it appeared in the flyer this month.


quote:
Originally posted by dexter:
IMCA is going to mandate traction control, purchased only from speedway....


rpm20
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posted November 05, 2004 08:33 AM  
if its true that imca is going to mandate tc from speedway only then it will only be a short time befor some enterprising individuals take one apart and buy the 2.00 worth of electronics and we all have it for 100.00
just another way of thinkin,i guess. lol

dirtywrench13
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posted November 05, 2004 12:11 PM  
THE ONLY REASON I M C A IS GONNA MANDATE ANYTHING IS TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS! YOU SHOULD SEE THE HOUSE THE OWNER OF I M C A LIVES IN, AND THEY SAY THEY DONT MAKE MONEY! HUH! WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO NOT BUY ANYTHING WITH THEIR LOGO ON IT. WE EVEN SCOUR JUNKYARDS TO GET THE PINTO SPINDLES WE NEED, WITHOUT BUYING THE ONES WITH IMCA ON THEM. THEY GET A KICK BACK ON EVERY PART SOLD.

rpm20
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posted November 05, 2004 01:10 PM  
wrench, we do the same thing and i am no fan of imca either. its far from what its founders intended it to be.
as a matter of fact the 2 tracks i run at are not even sanctioned
powercom speedzone and powercom park in wis. www.wismotorsports.net
if ya need anything like chevelle lowers or pinto spindles maybe i can help you out.
ron

quote:
Originally posted by dirtywrench13:
THE ONLY REASON I M C A IS GONNA MANDATE ANYTHING IS TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS! YOU SHOULD SEE THE HOUSE THE OWNER OF I M C A LIVES IN, AND THEY SAY THEY DONT MAKE MONEY! HUH! WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO NOT BUY ANYTHING WITH THEIR LOGO ON IT. WE EVEN SCOUR JUNKYARDS TO GET THE PINTO SPINDLES WE NEED, WITHOUT BUYING THE ONES WITH IMCA ON THEM. THEY GET A KICK BACK ON EVERY PART SOLD.


FASTLAP
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posted November 06, 2004 04:49 AM  
Hey Dexter, how did you get this information? Rumor or fact for sure?

dexter
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posted November 06, 2004 07:36 AM  
Doesn't it just sound like IMCA? They can't control it so why not make money off it.

superdave
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posted November 06, 2004 08:30 AM  
Well you can tell it's the off season. If I say I am the king of England on this forum does that make it so? I hope so, I need the money.

Sheesh.

jws
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posted November 06, 2004 10:24 AM  
TC is horrible for short track racing, especially dirt. I'm sure that IMCA knows that as does most every other sane promoter in this country. I think they need to use several approaches at once to get rid of it. Claims, swaps, protests, sealed components, use them all. Also, the penalty should for being caught should be very heavy. I would support a lifetime ban from any sanction should you get busted with it.

fastow
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posted November 06, 2004 10:40 PM  
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fastow:
[B]Has anybody seen first hand just how good or bad this tc stuff really is? All I here is how bad this stuff is, its like is there guys out there useing it and walking away with all the shows ? Has any one seen anybody get busted with it or even seen it used in a practice or a cheater day. I think it would be hard to get used to not being able to use the power to work the car. Another thing how about anti lock brakes that might be more of a benefit than tc.

imca35
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posted November 07, 2004 06:17 AM  
I worked for a asphalt Super Late Model team in south texas in 2003 in a series where tc was legal. we did not run and we won 2 or three races (and championship) and we were always in the lead pack. It seemed to me the biggest advantage with tc wason a tight 1/4 (real abrasive) and on a long run. other than that it did not seem to be an advantage on ASPHALT. From what I have seen of tc I think it would be a huge advantage on dry slick. I do remember seeing some cars I thought may be running it (rear rotors cherry red on dry slick) at some big dirt shows and they walked away from whoever they were running with.
my .02
curt clegg

Istock66
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posted November 07, 2004 07:43 AM           send a private message to imca35   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
1. If their rear rotors were red they had a brake problem..

2. Dexter was joking about IMCA mandating it.

3. go to CARPART.com you can get pinto spindles, and chevelle lowers shipped to you for 20-30 each... Thanks to superdave I use that site all the time....

4. Speedway is a business, who cares what they sell, they dont just sell to the local yokals here in iowa nebraska.

5. IMCA only has 11 full time employees, Im sure they are all living of a mere 30 thousand a year salary, and have second jobs.. lol!!!!!!!!

dirtywrench13
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posted November 08, 2004 11:36 AM  
SORRY GUYS BUT I LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN AS THE OWNER OF IMCA, AND KEITH KNAACK, THE ORIGINAL FOUNDER OF IMCA(REST IN PEACE) WOULD ROLL IN HIS GRAVE IF HE SAW THE THINGS THAT GO ON THERE NOW.I SERIOUSLY DOUBT HE WAS ANY KIND OF ANGLE,BUT HE PUT MONEY BACK IN THE DRIVER'S POCKETS AS WELL.

racerwilson
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posted November 08, 2004 06:57 PM  
Anyone have a pic of this speedway traction device? I don't get speedways fliers. I would like to put that in my GTO can't put all the power to the ground. Sounds like it could make it easy for my son to take it out and learn how to drive with out breaking it loose.

paulickr
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posted November 09, 2004 11:17 AM  
even speedway wouldnt put a picture of it in their flyer.
there was a blacked out box and it said picture with held (if i remember right)

ron

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Originally posted by racerwilson:
Anyone have a pic of this speedway traction device? I don't get speedways fliers. I would like to put that in my GTO can't put all the power to the ground. Sounds like it could make it easy for my son to take it out and learn how to drive with out breaking it loose.


24KC
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted November 11, 2004 10:57 AM  
If it is IMCA legal is it required to be all steel?

paulickr
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 110
posted November 11, 2004 11:41 AM  
SILLY BOY, IT IS A SMALL ELECTRONIC DEVICE THAT INTERRUPTS YOUR IGNITION UPON SEEING A SPIKE IN THE RPMS IN THE IGNITION, ALL STEEL????

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Originally posted by 24KC:
If it is IMCA legal is it required to be all steel?


Kromulous
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 796
posted November 11, 2004 01:44 PM  
There is 2 different types of traction control, the ignition type and the ABS type (thats what i call it anyway).

Basicly the ABS type clamps the rear brakes rapidly (pulsing) as it detects wheel spin. I have heard of them, seen wiring for them but never seen how or what it looks like.

So the guy that said he seen glowing rear brake rotors could of been on to something after all.

As well, i hear it can all be hidin internally within the third member with very minimal wiring. Again no idea where they come from or how much one would be.

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