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rickbraley
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 58
posted November 11, 2004 02:23 PM  
I think it should just be made legal. It is just another technological advancement that is due to be adopted and utilized. Sure it takes some of the driver out of the equation; so what! It will promote even closer competition and will promote even better shows for the fans. And that is what it is all about.
If you went back over time and took out all the technological innovations that have come along over the years and have been fully adopted in some form or another we would still be racing horses and buggies!
If it were made legal than the price would drop making it affordable. Rules could also specify some spec box to insure everyone was on a level playing field. Bottom line is you can't hide from technology so it seems wiser to embrace it and use it to further enhance the sport.

Donnie Ross
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 264
posted November 12, 2004 06:01 AM  
as far as the abs type traction control the parts are already in junkyards and have been for years, the module is pretty simple for a computer and I'm sure some body out there could figure it out,however hiding it would be a different story the solonoids needed in the brake lines to operate it would be a dead give away.

chapa73
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 169
posted November 12, 2004 10:53 AM  
Traction Control has no place in racing..
The art of racing is who can DRIVE thier car around the track best.Now I do understand that it wont take a back marker and make them championship runner,but its bad for racing.
I think back when Jeff Gordon drove that F1 car,montoya could hardly keep the cup car on the track,while Gordo was tunring laps that would have put him in the field when matched to the times at the race the year before.
Gordon said that the tc made the f1 car easy to drive,hence taking driver out of it.
Racing is about driving,getting you r ride set up better than the other guy,not buying a getter TC device,Traction Control is for drivers that dont have the talent to use thier right foot properly.

juliaferrell
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Total posts: 370
posted November 12, 2004 12:22 PM  
and the moon is made of cheese? HEHE

zeroracing
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posted November 12, 2004 02:31 PM  
the arguement to legalize it misses the purpose of a TC. the purpose is to hook up big motors. so if it is legal then it will just increase the motor pirces even more, and really kill the smaller motor cars.

FASTLAP
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 171
posted November 12, 2004 04:52 PM  
agreed! TC is the fast food approach to TE (Trial and Error).

rickbraley
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 58
posted November 13, 2004 06:24 AM  
Engine configuration is a different issue all together. There should be other methods to control what is a legal motor regardless of whether tc is legal or not. I suspect the same things were said about numerous other technological advances when they first appeared but I believe over time most of these developments have proven that they simply advanced the sport in a positive manner. I guess time will tell...

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zeroracing
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Total posts: 1875
posted November 14, 2004 10:06 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by rickbraley:
Engine configuration is a different issue all together. There should be other methods to control what is a legal motor regardless of whether tc is legal or not. I suspect the same things were said about numerous other technological advances when they first appeared but I believe over time most of these developments have proven that they simply advanced the sport in a positive manner. I guess time will tell...

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What do you mean that engine configuration is a different topic all togethere. TRACTION CONTROLS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO PUT MORE POWER TO THE GROUND. That is the only reason to run it. so if i hook up 450hp now i get tc and can hook up my 450 easier, the racer in me is going to say hhhmmm now i can put in 550 or 600 and hook that up. so i will go out and spend that extra money to get more hp.

other methods of engine control... we race alot of the same tracks, tech is a joke. and you can not say that motors are controlled to any extent.

as far as technology in these cars, some would help with cost some would add to it, but i can make a short list of some ideas that are needed to update the technology on these cars.
lets see.
1. quick change rearends
2. incar radios(probally would have stopped a big pile up of cars at the back not checking up at cms.)
3. coil overs
4. adjustable shocks
5. aluminum birdcages(strong enough for late models)
6.electric motors on wieght jacks...then just change the car on the track till it works.
7.electric shut off vavles on rf wheel.
8.spring rod rr upper link would help keep rear steer down.
9.fuel injection
10. electric fuel pumps.
11. this is only a 5 min of thinking list and man these cars are so far outdated that the keeping up with technology.

tc is just for bad drivers with big wallets and no throttle control.


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fastow
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 168
posted November 14, 2004 06:22 PM  
All these post and what ifs, only one post here that talked like they had some first hand exprence and they where running it on asphalt. If this stuff is going to such a big problem where is all the guys that have played with it I am sure if it would make that big of difference somebodys bound to have tried it even if it was a cheater day.

rickbraley
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 58
posted November 15, 2004 06:20 AM  
Hey zeroracing, I never disagreed with your statement that tc is to get more power to the ground. But, I do disagree that it would absolutely drive up the cost of engines. Engine configuration needs to be kept as it's own separate item; it should be defined and controlled regardless of whether tc, quick change rearends or any of the other items you list are made legal. In my book two wrongs don't make a right and therefore just because as you state "tech is a joke" that it is useless to try and control engine configuration and therefore tc will just make engine configurations even more out of control. You are right that this is a possiblity but it is also possible that a reasonable set of controls could be defined and enforced on engines and that a tc device that is affordable and available to everyone could become available therefore eliminating the advantage those running them illegally might have? Might be a little optimistic but hey it is possible. And actually if tech is such a joke then it makes the reality of being able to find tc devices even less likely wouldn't you agree? Therefore it will definitely only be the guys with the big wallets that have them and all the rest of us little guys will be even further out of the loop. My only interest in the topic is to try and keep the playing field as equal as we can for all of us. I am not certain that the problem is of epedemic proportions yet but it will surely just keep growing until it is addressed. If tc devices were legal and I could get one for a reasonable cost and if most of the competitors were running them I would buy one. I would have no choice. Right now there may be guys running them, tech is unable to find them, and I am at a big disadvantage because of it. I just want a fair chance!
Just my opinion; take it for whatever it is worth...

CD00
Dirt Roller

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posted November 29, 2004 06:10 PM  
www.moretraction.com

Wildside17
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posted November 29, 2004 10:15 PM  
Rick Braley your saying you can't drive right? If you need TC sit in the stands.

rickbraley
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 30, 2004 12:15 PM  
That would certainly be a lot cheaper!! LOL

Todchester
Dirt Roller

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posted December 14, 2004 10:32 AM  
What if the rule went like this? Any electronics in car ( tach. MSD. HEI. ) must add 150 lbs. to after race min. Point dist. and mag. no added lbs.

rpm20
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 338
posted December 15, 2004 07:34 PM  
wow, i knew when i put this topic up there would be some comments but hey it really seems to be a sore spot.
my contention is that i dont need it and dont want to race someone who does, thats my 2 cents for what its worth. by now someone has one and will be testing it.
i would like to hear your experience with it even a pm to me if you dont care to post it.

NJantz
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Total posts: 755
posted December 16, 2004 07:31 AM  
I know two people who have ran traction control on the dirt. One said that it gave him a slight advantage but it wasn't going to make a 5th place car a 1st place car.

The other person said it was a significant advantage.

rickbraley
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 58
posted December 19, 2004 06:33 AM  
rpm20, this does seem to be a rather sensitive topic to some doesn't it! And unfortunately you always have the less resourceful individuals that resort to personal attacks rather than having a sensible discussion of the subject. Thanks for the post anyway. It is a topic that will continue to come up until it is adequately addressed and there were some good points brought up in this thread.

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Racer96babe
Dirt Roller

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posted May 31, 2005 06:25 AM  
It truly *** that people have to cheat to win races. If that's the way to win why race?I mean racing is about competition.RIGHT? No competition there. We are dealing with that very issue at our race track right now. We are an IMCA sanctioned race track and it is a $10,000.00 fine if you are caught using traction control.Problem is the IMCA officials at the track say it's too hard for them to check for it.Why make rules if they cannot be enforced and checked on???So maybe we have no choice but shell out our $700 for the same **** they are using. Making $20 prize money each week is getting about as old as having the same 6 winners all year.

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B.K.ENG45
Dirt Full Roller

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posted June 01, 2005 02:14 AM  
EASY CURE FAST TACKY ROUGH RACE TRACK THEN THE $H!T WON'T WORK

B.K.ENG45
Dirt Full Roller

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posted June 01, 2005 02:21 AM  
EASY CURE FAST TACKY ROUGH RACE TRACK THEN THE $H!T WON'T WORK

sidebiteu259
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 56
posted June 02, 2005 12:32 PM  
Ordered my today if you cant beat them join them,

bigphillb
Dirt Roller

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posted June 04, 2005 11:38 AM  
I know our driver would say $700 on somthing that might make us 1-2 tenths faster or $700 worth of seat time. He being a REAL DRIVER will take the seat time and shave more than a few tenths off. I understand not everyone has the time but thats still a lot of money that could be used to make a better driver. How about a vacation at a good driving school? Would be close to the same money and will always work on any track conditions and is 100% leagal. Just my thoughts.

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