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m33mcg
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posted October 27, 2004 09:26 PM  
I have heard rumors that our track might be running under icma rules next year. What are the engine rules for the mods? or is it just a 500.00 engine claim, If so how does the claim work?
Thanks, Mike

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted October 28, 2004 12:44 AM  
The rules are pretty simple, no aluminum heads, block, rods etc. No CID rule. You can run alky or gas. No carb rule, just can't run multiple carburation. Solid lift cams only. No machining on outside of block. Besides that its pretty much open. As far as the claim goes..........let me give an example. You win the race and I finish 2nd. I put up $550 and you either give me your engine or forfiet the race. I can't remember how far back can claim, someone else might clarify that. If you get claimed, you don't lose everything. You get to keep certain things. Like carb, dist, pulleys, fan, I think valve covers and oil pan, not sure on that though. You get to keep your starter too. If I missed anything maybe someone else will catch it. Hope that helps.

[This message has been edited by FlyNLoIMCA17 (edited October 28, 2004).]

NJantz
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posted October 28, 2004 06:37 AM  
Actually the claim is $525. The claimer basically gets the complete longblock.

Other rules:
Wet oiling systems only.

Oem blocks only.

Oem firing order.

No rear mounted pumps.

Any of the top 4 finishers are elgible to be claimed. They must pull directly to the claim area after the feature. Then if anyone else on at least the same lap of the 4th place car wants to claim you they can. They will pull up to the claim area and present their claim card, IMCA license, and cash. If you get claimed your car will be pushed to your pit and you have 1hr. to pull the engine.

This doesn't stop guys from building $10,000 motors nor running roller cams. And it causes a lot of hard feelings. You will see buddy claims and grudge claims. We sold our IMCA mod because we didn't want to spend the money on the horsepower needed to win and then give it away to a claim.

Good luck.

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HarrisMod#30
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posted October 28, 2004 11:33 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by FlyNLoIMCA17:
As far as the claim goes..........let me give an example. You win the race and I finish 2nd. I put up $550 and you either give me your engine or forfiet the race.
[This message has been edited by FlyNLoIMCA17 (edited October 28, 2004).]

Second place can not claim the winner, only fifth on back can claim or of course the promotor can claim.

m33mcg
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posted October 28, 2004 06:14 PM  
Thanks guys, what keeps someone/same person from claiming a differant engine or person every weekend and selling these engine out right. How much money is needed to be competitive (parts in engine not machine work).
Mike

racer17j
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posted October 28, 2004 07:58 PM  
CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG BUT THE LAST TIME I CHECKED YOU COULD ONLY CLAIM AN ENGINE ONLY ONCE A SEASON....

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted October 29, 2004 06:53 PM  
I think you can only claim 2 or 3 times a year, right??? Also are you sure that 2nd place can not claim??? That don't make sense............ as far as the dry sump systems go. You can run them. It says in the rules wet oiling only, but it also states that if you do run one, you don't get DQ'd. Instead if someone claims your engine you lose the dry system also. Also when you get claimed the 525 or 550 or whatever it costs...... you only get 500 of it, the rest goes to the tow truck for pulling the engine.

Rollin Thunder
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posted October 29, 2004 06:54 PM  
In IMCA Mods, you're only allowed to claim 2 engines per year and you cannot claim the same driver twice.

DPORT60
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posted October 30, 2004 03:42 PM  
Why does IMCA even continue with the claim rule? Modifieds are not a budget class anymore and haven't been for some time. Lets be serious, $525 won't buy the rods, pistons or crank in a Hobby Stock. I don't think IMCA would lose any cars if they did away with it. The tracks here in eastern Iowa have no claim in the Mods and theres no lack of cars or competitive racing. I think the best way to keep engines reasonable is the G60 tire, not an out of date claim rule.

racer17j
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posted October 31, 2004 01:00 AM  
Our track went to (outlaw Imca)the only rule they kept was th G60 tire. Our car count went from 30 to 35 a night to lucky to get enough for a 24 car feature.Next year they are going back or so I hear to IMCA to get the car count back up.I like the Idea of the spec head and intake.If you go the the dirtworks website and look under trade ins,the 59 car for 26,500 race ready, runs our track.Actually he promotes our track and has several cars that run at the track like that one.I don't think we have 26,500 in two cars and trailers.lol

m33mcg
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posted October 31, 2004 09:58 AM  
Would it make better sence to have a claim rule of $550.00 or whatever and a exchange.
The engine that is exchanged must be running and not damaged ? This way the guy whom got claimed can still race the next weekend or still has something to work with. The guy selling the engines to make money is now out more than $500.00

Racer X
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posted October 31, 2004 11:17 AM  
The exchange doesn't work either we have that and it has not been used in two years.

DPORT60
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posted October 31, 2004 03:57 PM  
I would have to disagree with spec engine rules for mods. Spec rules to me, only drive up the cost and create hostility in the tech area. Look at the IMCA Late Model, those "spec" engines are a joke. I know I could build an open engine with new and used parts cheaper than a competitive spec one. When you restrict horsepower, most will spend whatever to gain a little. Look at NASCAR Nextel racing, they spend millions on cars that are essentially 800hp street stocks with wind tunnel tuned "spec" bodies. Don't laugh, think about it. If you're spending that kind of money, why not progress? I'm a huge Formula One fan too, but thats another story.

Greggie
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posted November 01, 2004 06:17 AM  
The IMCA claim rule is that one person can claim 4 times per year. He cannot claim the same person more than once in that year. The first 2 claims he makes are $525 cash claims. The last 2 claims he makes are for $525 cash OR exchange, CLAIMEE's option. If the claimee chooses exchange, the claimer has to pay $50 for the wrecker fees.

There is a little twist in the rules to benefit someone who is claimed a lot. That person has his normal 2 straight cash claims. For every time he is claimed more than 2 (if he is claimed 3, 4 ,5, etc. times), he gets that many more straight claims. Meaning if he is claimed 6 times he gets his normal 2 plus 4. Just sitting here reading this, it appears you get the number of straight claims that you have been claimed, whether that claim was a straight claim or exchange.

G

RattlerZ
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posted November 01, 2004 02:23 PM  
The amount for the claim is 550. Nothing more nothing less. You can claim as many times as you want the only thing is i think you can only claim the same person twice a year. Out of the top four can claim the engine as long as the fourth place car has not lapped them. then they go to the claim area with cash and claim card in hand. they cannot have someone give it to them, it has to be on them. Then there is one hour to take out the engine after you push back to the pits.

rdirt
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posted November 01, 2004 02:51 PM  
You must have competed in the 2 races before to be able to claim. 1st race of the year, you have to have been 15th or better in IMCA points. By the end of the year there is very few cars that meet all the requirement to claim. The ones that can claim are usually the weekly front runners.

Rollin Thunder
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posted November 01, 2004 07:58 PM  
Greggie is exactly correct. Rattler you must not be talking about IMCA claim rules.

Kromulous
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posted November 02, 2004 07:34 AM  
People actually allow there engines to be claimed? is it forced or what do you loose when you dont allow the claim in IMCA?

Personnally, we run UMP and the claim process is there. Never seen it used to date, but if they did claim our motor, they wouldnt get it, regardless. 10 grand vs 500 bucks i doubt it.

I really think the whole claim thing should be canned and UMP keep all the same rules. Plus add a "B" mod class with a 23* headed, 360 cubes max engine rule, all steel (except intake) & no rollers (flat tappers only) engine rules for the B mod class. Then leave the "A" mods run whatever, but steel blocks and no dry sumps.

ratracer10
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posted November 02, 2004 07:53 AM  
You can deny the claim, but it will cost ya.

I believe IMCA you are banned from all IMCA events until you pay a $2000 fine (not sure where the money goes).

UMP will cost you $200 the first time and $600 the second.

Both have some other penalties to go with this also. For more detail on the UMP check below, IMCA makes you pay for the rules now so there is no link I know of for them.
http://www.umpracing.com/

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DPORT60
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posted November 02, 2004 07:46 PM  
Amen Kromulous! The bmod class has really taken off here in eastern Iowa. No reason IMCA couldn't have a similar class. The IMCA Sport Mod was a poor excuse for a race car in the first place!

pbrcowboy2
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posted November 02, 2004 09:16 PM  
BlackBirdBend Speedway at Onawa now has the sanctioned 360sportmod class in western iowa I am kinda spooked but our promotor told me that alot of the rules from 2004 have been dropped for 2005!!!!....so we will see how this does!!!

dirtywrench13
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posted November 03, 2004 11:13 AM  
the b mod class is takin off here in the birth place of the imca mod, faster than i ever imagined! i remember when they tried to start a truck class, there were only a hand full of them and they only lasted a year! there are barely any rules in the b-mod class last year,but imca is steppin in on them for next season. they aren't taking away enough as far as i'm concerned, but i'm not an official of any kind.

DPORT60
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posted November 03, 2004 06:42 PM  
Racing is a process of evolution, some faster than others. Look how long it took IMCA to legalise the Brinn/Bert style trans.

riffraff
Dirt Roller

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posted November 08, 2004 10:20 PM  
Well UPS man, quite honestly I would have stuck to the BOYD rather than the BMS. But you do what you want, we will lap you anyways. Just kidding, looks like a good car(don't stress over it). Have no comments on engine claim rule, I know as little as you do. riffraff

powerslide11m
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posted November 10, 2004 11:02 PM  
are you talking about boyd performance out of porter america?

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