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Author Topic:   Bert vs. Brinn?
modracr41
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 130
posted July 19, 2004 07:57 AM  
Hey guys, I need some input. Are there any advantages of one or the other? Which one holds up better? I'm looking at purchasing one of them and want to get the best bang for the buck. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, and.......................See ya at the track!!

dluna
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 334
posted July 19, 2004 10:15 AM  
Bert is cheaper than the Brinn. The Falcon's cost is in between the two. We have had zero problems with our falcon. On of the best things about the falcon and brinn is that you will most likely not have to get a different driveshaft. I read somewhere where either the bert or brinn didn't have very much travel for the yoke before it bottemed out in the tranny. The falcon has 12 to 15 inches of splines before it bottoms out. It's a nice piece. Some complained about it being hard to shift, however, I'm still kind of a newbie to the mods and have not had any problems shifting...it's just a little awkward to push the clutch in to move.

Chad
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 269
posted July 19, 2004 11:13 AM  
All I have to say is BRINN. You'll never have a problem and they are a high quality piece. Most dirt late models wouldn't run them if they weren't that good. I use one in my 4-link modified with a long yoke, and everything works fine. This would be money well spent.

NJantz
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 755
posted July 19, 2004 11:53 AM  
I can only speak for Falcon but their customer service is superb. I tore up the input shaft gear in mine the first week I had it(my fault). Overnighted it to Falcon, they had it fixed within two hours of its arrival then had it shipped out that same day. I didn't get charged any labor, and they gave me a deal on the broken part.

If you ever have problems with yours contact Charlie Castle at Falcon. The man takes care of his people.

The only complaint I have is its a little tough shifting sometimes (maybe its me). But works fine.

Also all of Falcons technical information is posted on their website complete with exploded drawings and part numbers.

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24KC
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted July 19, 2004 04:27 PM  
I highly recomend the Falcon 2 years no problems. The rest of you guys are right about Charlie Castle nice guy knows his stuff.

2nd2none
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 755
posted July 19, 2004 06:21 PM  
if you have the money buy the ball spline bert, but it is kinda pricey.
http://www.randys-racemart.com/beralbalspli.html


dirtywrench13
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 324
posted July 19, 2004 09:07 PM  
our bert has taken quite a beatin and only minimal troubles. had to have the output shaft machined to accept a long slip yolk.

modracr41
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 130
posted July 20, 2004 10:52 PM  
Thanks for the info guys. I had heard that you had to have the input shaft machined with the Bert. I also heard that the Brinn was a good piece. I do have one more question about the Falcon. One comment was made about having to push the clutch pedal in to get the car moving. Was this accurate? If so, it sounds kind of backward. With the Bert and Brinn, I know it works like a regular manual to take off, then you shift it sort of like a big truck into direct. Does the Falcon work similar? Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks, and .................see ya at the track!!

2nd2none
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 755
posted July 20, 2004 10:56 PM  
The berts, brinns, and falcons all take off by pushing IN the clutch pedal then slipping them into high once up to speed.

cozmo
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 99
posted July 21, 2004 06:24 AM  
Most northeast mod teams use either the bert or winters behind big blocks and they hold up very well. One of our cars has the bert and I canít tell you how many years itís been since the clutch was rebuilt and the oil gets changed once a year. The other car has the winters and it was ran 3 years before we changed the clutch and it had only minor wear it probably could have gone for a few more seasons. The only difference between our tranys and the ones used by imca style mods is the tail shaft housing ours doesnít have one. The bert ball spline is a very nice peace, we run the ball spline drive shaft takes a lot of the hidden bind out.

zeroracing
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1875
posted July 21, 2004 12:06 PM  
as far as trannys go. for the money a falcon is the best deal, they are made by winters, go to the winters website and it gives a falcon link.
berts are great so are brinns, but a bert ball spline is the best tranny out there.
most all dirt late models are switching to the bert ball spline tranny, because of no binds and suspension movement.
but for a mod a falcon will be great.

dirtracer14
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1261
posted July 21, 2004 09:20 PM  
I have one thing about the falcon ...not sure if its from a rough track or what but i had both ears break off the inside of mine....funny thing is that my buddy that has the next # up from me did the same thing. I am not saying they break but i also lost a driveshaft that may have added to the breakage but the other never lost a drive shaft but was in a bad wreck. I am building a brace like some use on the glide to help support it from sudden inpact. It also looks to me that on the side that takes the studs they could have radiused the inside corner of the mounting hole...if you have one take a look at the sharp 90 deg cut there...thats were both broke. I plan on giving them a call just to make sure it wasnt a cast flaw.. I can say i have run the **** out of mine with no internal problems.

sanderson10
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted July 21, 2004 11:01 PM  
My falcon has held up great. Little fussy to shift at times expesially after a long green flag run then when u get stopped on a yellow it gets fussy getting into high gear. Was in a bad wreck where my left side link was pushed into my seat and the drive shaft went into the tranny and broke a motor mount. Also i believe that they are the lightest aluminum cased tranny on the market. So for cost, durability, and weight i would go for the falcon.


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