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Author Topic:   TRYING THE MONTY BAR FOR DW
ModMan43
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 71
posted July 10, 2004 08:34 AM  
Just bought a monty bar from dirtworks, i am going to try it out this weekend. I was just wondering if any one has one, and have they got them to work. Also what adjustments should we be doing to it? The car is a Dirtworks 2 link with a shorty bar about 9" and a panhard bar about 11" mounted in front of the rear on drivers side. Track will be dry by feature time! Thanks

xhubby
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 376
posted July 10, 2004 09:55 AM  
modman43, we don't run a monty bar, but we do run a biscuit pull bar, & have found that if we run too much angle in it on a dry track, that we break the tires loose too easily coming off the corners. We started out with it in the bottom hole on the chassis, & now have it in the 4th hole up from the bottom. We may go up one more hole yet. Hope this helps.

tilley88
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Total posts: 879
posted July 11, 2004 01:16 PM  
Adjusting your pullbar angle just by counting holes is not a very accurate way to set it. Some rearend mounts are high, some low. Try to set the angle between 17-20*. Start off with 1/4" preload. If you lose your bite too quickly off the turns, then take some angle out of the pullbar.

JMillerJr76
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 128
posted July 11, 2004 08:54 PM  
We run a monty bar, but with an x-factor biscut in it, alot of people wont believe me unless they see it, but we run our bar level. We have tried the bar in every hole on the car, and with the x-factor biscut it gave the car so much bite, that the bar is pretty much level. Just like Tilley said start with some angle in it, and go from there

fastow
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 168
posted July 11, 2004 11:15 PM  
Jmiller runing your pull bar level LoL what type suspension you running? What part of the country you from? H ave you ever tried running your pull bar at a up hill angle? If it starts out level and the car hikes up what kind of angle is it at then?

Chad
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 269
posted July 12, 2004 11:16 AM  
I always run my Monte Bar on my DW8 4-link. Like others have mentioned, be conservative on the angle. I'd start in the 2-3rd hole up. If the car hops off the corner you've got too much angle. If the track is very dryslick, I'd run it in the 2nd hole up. I also have a set of left side mounts, they're positioned next to the driver's compartment. I move to those frame mounts when it gets slick. Good luck.

tilley88
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 879
posted July 12, 2004 04:26 PM  
Hey Chad, any way you could post a pic of that left side p-bar mount for us? I've been thinkin of adding that to my DW and would appreciate a photo.

ModMan43
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 71
posted July 12, 2004 06:07 PM  
I ran the monty bar on there this weekend and it was alright. I felt like i had more bite that usual. The track was slick down low and tacky way on the top. Now i was thinking that more angle in the bar gave you more bite. So i had it at almost the most angle allowed. So what everyone says it to take some angle out of that bar when it gets dry. That would explain why my car is always so loose as soon as it gets just a little dry. Thanks for the tips.

Chad
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 269
posted July 13, 2004 11:05 AM  
tilley88- I don't have a picture of the left side Monte Bar mount, but it's a duplicate of the the one you have hanging down in the center of the chassis. I too have a DW8 and the left side mount is mounted along the driver's compartment on the lower bar and just to the right of the angled down tube. You can call DW, they installed it on my chassis. It's awesome when you want to really hook up the car.

JMillerJr76
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 128
posted July 13, 2004 09:33 PM  

 
See, fastow that is what everyone says when I tell them, then when they come and look they kind of scratch their heads and start saying that we are cheating, and that there is no way that the car hooks up like it does being a short two link...something on the car has to be illegal. And what I always tell them is "well if you think we are cheating then put up some money and you can tear the car down to the frame." Here is a pic of the car from last year. With the pull bar LEVEL when the car is sitting static... This pic was taken at the State Fair Speedway in Oklahoma City

dirtbuster
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Total posts: 2007
posted July 14, 2004 08:11 AM  
There is only a given amount of weight in the car the pullbar doesnt add more weight o the rearend. Remember that any weight you lift with the pullbar you are taking off the springs/bars so it may lift the car but you might be holding the car up on the pullbar and not loading the rearend like you need to for best traction. With all the trailing arm angle in the cars today i dont think a lot of angle in the pullbar is necessary anymore. MAybe years ago that was the norm. A lot of times the trailing arms themselves will lift the car and provide the needed antisquat. Just my opinion...

JMillerJr76
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 128
posted July 14, 2004 11:29 AM  
Thank you dirtbuster, you said it perfectly. Alot of people are stuck in the old ways of doing things, and are afraid to try new things. But the only way to get faster than the other guys is to try new stuff

fastow
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 168
posted July 14, 2004 10:13 PM  
Jmillerjr dirtbuster you guys I think are on to something LOL what kind of rear percentage do you guys use?

Dman
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 270
posted July 15, 2004 08:26 AM  
Ditbuster you are a wise person.Some think if a little bit is good more is better.Everything works together and should be looked at that way.

Dman
Dirt Freak

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posted July 15, 2004 08:31 AM  
Please excuse the typo Dirtbuster.

sanderson10
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted July 16, 2004 11:25 PM  
I have a wissota super stock and we run a solid pull bar, mounted w/ two heims. I was wondering what would happen if u run it at an uphill angle? or do i have to try it and get back to ppl? i also have a different type of spring setup on the rear i'm going to use. here see what u guys think, k we can't run sliders, coilovers, or spings behind the axel tube. so what i'm gonna do is mount the left rear on the tube itself then keep the right rear on the link? what do u guys think of that? any info would be helpful. Thanks Jason

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