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JDF Motorsports
Dirt Freak

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posted June 08, 2004 07:34 PM  
Where can I get more info? Looks like a real good alternative to street stock.

nate 11
Dirt Freak

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posted June 09, 2004 03:52 AM  
what kind of info. are you looking for? their web site is www.simsmodifieds.com. they also have a street stock also.need any more info pm me ill try to help.......hope this helps...later

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NJantz
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posted June 09, 2004 06:31 AM  
Those are very popular around the Dallas Fort Worth area. They've only been around for a few years, but new tracks are being added all the time. Just might replace the IMCA/UMP mods some day.

The SIMS car is basically a street stock with a modified body on it. But don't tell the SIMS guys that or they'll start crying. They think they are limited modifieds.

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smitty1856
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted June 09, 2004 08:47 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by NJantz:
Those are very popular around the Dallas Fort Worth area. They've only been around for a few years, but new tracks are being added all the time. Just might replace the IMCA/UMP mods some day.

At some of the tracks here in Louisiana they are half a second faster than the mods on any given night.



Racer X
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 256
posted June 09, 2004 07:32 PM  
We are running one this year,alot cheaper than the IMCA mod we were running.I just hope the rules stay the same for awhile and don't start getting out of control.

dbradley
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted June 10, 2004 06:01 AM  
What is the major difference between the sims car and the imca...the photos look pretty much the same....We run a DIRT mod so your cars all look so low slung

smitty1856
Dirt Roller

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posted June 10, 2004 07:30 AM  
The major difference is they run a stock suspension, no floater rearends and very limited on engines and carbs.

Rook 78
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted June 10, 2004 08:47 AM  
This is off the topic, but I went into their site, and there is a number 83 Aylor I think was the name with Boroco on the side. Seen a car up here in Minnesota from Texas and ran the USMTS Fall Jamboree, anyone know if this would be the same guy? He came up with a double decker mint hauler and two cars in it. Pretty nice darn operation. Had Boroco on the sides as well.

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nate 11
Dirt Freak

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posted June 10, 2004 03:45 PM  
hey Rook 78 aylor is 83,limited mod. i heard he was trying to sell out. a couple of weeks ago a hauler you described was at lufkin tx. the driver of it was brain millican. dont know if bought borco out or not.he was driving a modified....hope this makes sence....later

NJantz
Dirt Forum Champ
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posted June 11, 2004 06:31 AM  
Rook, I know the rig/car you are describing, but I think Aylor just runs the limited.

smitty1856
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted June 11, 2004 08:06 AM  
Aylor has sold out of limited and is getting in a new class. We bought his limited. I believe he is going into the Texas Outlaw Bombers.

Rook 78
Dirt Full Roller

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posted June 11, 2004 09:12 AM  
Got it. Just was curious, dont remember how the Boroco car did up here last year at the Jamboree, but sure was an impressive set up.

BrianW
Dirt Freak

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posted June 11, 2004 10:20 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by NJantz:
The SIMS car is basically a street stock with a modified body on it. But don't tell the SIMS guys that or they'll start crying. They think they are limited modifieds.

That's just what it looked like to me - I'm wondering if anyone in the KC area is going to be running these - with stock rear ends and lower compression engines it might make a nice alternative to the high cost of running mods out at lakeside...

mod311
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted June 11, 2004 11:37 AM  
check out the sims mod at WWW.dirtworksracecars.com

dbradley
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted June 11, 2004 12:00 PM  
What a simple spring/shock combination (isn't that refreshing)

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Rook 78
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted June 11, 2004 12:13 PM  
Will it have enough power to pull that spoiler? Notice the dates on the picture 10 days...took me 10 weeks to get mine from chassis to complete roller. Perhaps if I could just hit the lottery...well you get it. Nice looker though.

Racer X
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 256
posted June 11, 2004 06:15 PM  
We bought a bare chassis and built the rest ourself,spent around six thousand and thats with motor.We sold our IMCA mod and most everything went with it so we had to buy almost everything new.

JDF Motorsports
Dirt Freak

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posted June 11, 2004 08:41 PM  
Man, the more I look at these things, the more I like them. I can't afford a competitive IMCA Mod, but these things would be just right for me. Looks like a car that can be run on a Street Stock budget, but you can run a clean, good looking, easy to work on car. I have a friend who is the tech man at our track. We are gonna see if we can develop any interest in such a class. Anyone who would be interested in running a similar class at Wheatland Raceway in MO for the 2005 season let me know. Later.

racer17j
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posted June 12, 2004 02:06 PM  
i read some where that sims was going to try to get or have already got tracks in Mo. lined up for 05.....to be sims. since they got dirt works as a corp....sponsor.....hope this helps......good luck in 04.....later

JDF Motorsports
Dirt Freak

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posted June 12, 2004 09:59 PM  
Nate 11 If you find out anymore info on the MO tracks could you let me know. Thanks.
Also I may contact DirtWorks.

fastow
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 168
posted June 13, 2004 11:46 AM  
Here is my take on econo class just from what I see in the pics. It loks like you have to use stock front end components even stock upper control arms. So if your buying into this you will end up with car with control arms that are getting harder to find and more expensive by the day. I see where IMCA just approved a after market control arm to address this deal. Also would this mean if a guy had an old mod it would not be able to adapt to this class. The stock rear suspinsion the one i seen in the pics looks like off of a metric these things where about the worst suspinsion ever put out on a factory car. Also making an old mod having not a chance to be adapted to this class. then useing any thing other than a 9 inch or quick change looks like to me even more expensive rare racing parts. I agree with the econo Idea but to make it work first you need to be able to build them with parts off the shelf and stuff that one could buy used off of other mod guys. They need to make the rules where a guy could by a good use mod change it to either a leaf or 3 link car only about any car can be converted with out spending much $$$ And you would have a car that would be easier to be understand for a begining racer. It looks like a neat deal on the rear spring set up that is in the pics but tell me you can build all that for less money than two coilovers and witch one would you rather have on your racer when it gets in your garage. Just an opinion lets here what other think on this

racer17j
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posted June 13, 2004 12:07 PM  
I would like to see them go to the aftermarket upper a frames. We bent one last week and couldn't get one around here.I think the rest of the rules are fine and need to be left alone.The last thing I want to see is the IMCA mod guys dropping down to this class and then wanting to change the rules so they can run their high dollar stuff.

fastow
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 168
posted June 13, 2004 02:23 PM  
17j racerx I understand where you guys are coming from we need a less expensive class. But the mod here in the pic was not built for 1800 dollars and if I where to be looking to buy or even build one I don't think it would a good idea to get one that is limited to this one class. couple things in my mind is if you move up this car would be hard to be upgraded to any other class. And if a guy wanted to buy a used mod and there is alot of these across our great country could you or would you want to go thur all the work to change it over to this type of suspension. If you where limited to leafs or the three link no pull bar useing steel body shocks and coil overs, the coil overs could be an option I would guess. Then think about what you will have down the road if you build a car this much different than than the common mods your going to limited to the places this thing could run making the value of it a lot less than the more common mod. making the over all cost of this class more again.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
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posted June 13, 2004 04:13 PM  
I would really like to see something like that class here in Oklahoma.

Been tossing the idea around of dropping down to a factory stock,but really like driving the mod,its my 1st year in one,and the price is pretty much out there,didnt realize how expensive they can get,but they are worlds of fun,I have alot of fun in mine,and Im just learning and at that becouse we are new to the mod deal,Iv been in the back,but they are a blast,just expensive.

nate 11
Dirt Freak

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posted June 13, 2004 04:49 PM  
hey chapa73...sims limiteds run at LAKE COUNTRY SPEEDWAY at ardmore ok.....hope this helps......later

Racer X
Dirt Freak

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posted June 13, 2004 07:04 PM  
We run at Ardmore, it's a good track if they would put some water on it. I think the SIMS mods will out number the regular mods in a few years,alot of tracks in Texas run them.I think cowtown and Waco pull about 25 to 30 a night.My buddy bought a used roller minus motor and tranny for 3500 spent about 2000 on a motor and is plenty competive.If we can come up with the funds we will have another one on the track next year.Anybody want to buy a used IMCA mod (CHEAP)

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted June 13, 2004 07:26 PM  
To me, one of the great things about the class is the equality of the chassis. Run a homebuilt, Eagle, Destroyer, DirtWorks......It doesn't matter! The chassis is the same! The suspention mounting points are the same no matter. To me thats one of the good things about NOT using 9 in fords. You run into control arm angle issues with them. Everyone sets them up different, but with the GM rear end everyone is the same. Success in this class seems to me would come from spring and shock and ballast placement knowledge and pure driving talant. I will agree on the posibility of aftermarket upper control arms though, everyone should have to run the same brand and part# though.

But keep them SIMPLE!!!!!!!!! If you go first adding weight jacks, then something else, then something else, then before you know it you have to have a $20,000.00 budget and you might as well run open mods. This is a great place to start out or run on a budget...I hope it stays that way.

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racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
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posted June 13, 2004 08:08 PM  
well,hopefully they can come a bit closer to the okc area,like Oklahoma Sports Park in Ada.I would difeantly build one of em.

nate 11
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 316
posted June 14, 2004 08:17 PM  
you can run adjustable spring buckets on the limiteds. they have to be the ones that you take the shock and spring off to get it out so you can adjust it. you cant have it where you can take a wrench or ratchet etc.etc. to adjust it. hope this makes sence. do a search on here for "alias" he builds these cars and knows all about the rules and tracks. just pm him he would gladly help in any way.....later

Elmo
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 79
posted June 14, 2004 09:51 PM  
Anyone interested in this class? I have my limited I built forsale. I would like to go Texas Outlaw Bombers as well.

marksracing
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 79
posted June 16, 2004 09:58 PM  

we love ours! Check it out at www.marksracing.com everything in ours is brand new the chassis we got from smileys and we did our on sheetmetal work. the metric chassis are a dime a dozen around here. we pay 100.00 for a complete salvage metric frame with complete rearend and frountend and stearing box we have less than $7000.00 in it. most track are paying $350 to $400 to win.Thats not to bad.I think withend two more years they will be all over MO , AR, and MISS

zeroracing
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posted June 17, 2004 11:44 AM  
they will not catch on hard in most of mo, mayeb southern many tracks already have a b mod class that you can get a used a mod for 2000-4000 and put 2000 in a motor and tranny and win. they give the guys a steping stone for a mods, or just a good alternative, we are going to probally build one with my backup car.
as far as cheaper, cheaper would be ford 9, long 3 link no pullbar and long behind rear panhard bar. and weight jacks, carswould handle great, be super easy to set up, and could outfit used mods for them easy.
but hope this class works out for you guys if thats what you want to run.
good luck
jason

fastow
Dirt Maniac

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posted June 18, 2004 09:39 PM  
zero thats a dead on ringer! Thats what would say would be a good B mod class You could convert about any mod to a three link or leafs with out much money and opens up options for buying a good used mod rather than building new. Around here when the big shows are on A lot of the B mods bolt on the 4 barrel and run with A's. But like you say if the SIMS deal works might not be that bad but I know our team don't have the time to spend on building an all new car .

jdj9410
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 65
posted June 19, 2004 05:35 PM  
If SIMS are 1/2 second faster than Mods must have a bad load of fuel in that area. The ones that run in N.E. Texas are at least 1/2 second slower more like 1 1/2 seconds. But only got 10 or so.

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