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mod311
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted April 14, 2004 10:01 AM  
On a 3 link swingarm if the right side swingarm is a hole lower that the left side, this will creat roll stear, correct?
What will happen when you pick up the gas?

mod311
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posted April 15, 2004 07:44 AM  
anyone?

Dman
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posted April 15, 2004 08:45 AM  
Yes, it ill give you some roll steer.It will also drive the left rear harder /tighter when you pick up the throttle. Dman

zeroracing
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posted April 15, 2004 09:48 AM  
Yes it will create some roll steer, also you will loose thrust angle in the rr. so it will be tighter overall, and you will loose seom forward bite.
your car would have more forward bite, it you floated the birdcage on the rr, and ran a rearward facing trailing arm. then run it at a downhill to back angle, and you will have more bite overall, and be able to play with even more rearsteer.
i have a 4 link lr swing arm rr and have the rr with alot of angle in the bars, and it rearsteers a TON.

Chad
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posted April 15, 2004 10:10 AM  
Moving the RR down a hole will actually decrease the amount of roll steer on the RR. As the static angle (at ride height) decreases (example- you drop down a hole on the frame mount), the amount of roll steer also decreases until you get to the point when the static angle is level, then as the chassis rolls it will actually shorten the RR wheelbase tightening it up. What are you trying to accomplish???

Wauge28
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posted April 15, 2004 01:11 PM  
Chad is right (hey Chad), The difference bewteen the left and right is much less important than the overall angle of each link. The angle of the front link is what will determine bite and rear steer. The more upward angle in the link the more bite and rear steer.

On the RR, if the link is at an upward angle, when the cars rolls in the turn it pushed down on that link then cause the link to PUSH the rearend BACK. That opens up the rearend and creates a loose rearsteer. If the RR bar is angled downward at static height, the car rolls and the bar PULLS the rearend FORWARD causing it to rearsteer tight.

Same on the left. The car will raise as it rolls and if the link is upward, the body roll will PULL the wheel forward and cause loose rear steer. If the bar is angled downward, it will PUSH the rearend back as the body rolls up and cause a tight roll steer.

Again, that was just the steer aspect. With a three link, I believe...I BELIEVE (you know how opinions are) that you gain more in the area of bite with bar angles than rearsteer. z-link is much more dramatic with a floated rear and another set of bars to play with.

Hope that makes sense???


2wildcrewguy
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posted April 16, 2004 03:17 AM  
my idea might be way off base but .... my thinking is if u lower the rr trailling arm so that it is below the lr when u get into the corner the get body roll the trailling arm will push the right side frame down and it will cause even more body roll and the more the body rolls the higher the left side will raise and the more rearsteer. maybe that is what i have been doing and i got the left front to wheelie with 200# spring straight across in the rear.

mod311
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posted April 16, 2004 06:28 AM  
I was trying to accomplish rear stear. I want the car to roll over and turn itself and then pick up the gas to straighten it back up. Just an idea, maybe far .fetched

juliaferrell
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posted April 16, 2004 09:25 AM  
Yes, having rr lower will most definately effect body roll (primarily while on the gas). This is a very valid subject to learn to adapt to a persons driving style. That's why somethings work for some drivers and some things don't. If you pick up the throttle early enough or whether you have slow entry speeds, this change makes big difference!! What are you trying to make happen? (besides cross the checkered first)

... Rear steer does very little if nothing to planting the tires and creating traction.

mod311
Dirt Full Roller

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posted April 16, 2004 09:41 AM  
Maybe we should define roll steer? I thought roll steer steers you rear end toward the outside, lr foward rr back.

dirtbuster
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posted April 16, 2004 09:45 AM  
Rear steer may not plant the tires and create traction, but when used properly it will help turn the car without the tires breaking loose (especially dry slick) and keep corner speeds up so that on exit you are carrying more speed which makes it easier to power off the turn which gives the feeling of more traction.

zeroracing
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posted April 16, 2004 10:59 AM  
yeah i made a mistake, was not paying attention, it will create less rearsteer with the rr down a hole.

and on a swing arm that has rearward links, the rearward bars make up the bite, mainly.

Wauge28
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Total posts: 262
posted April 16, 2004 12:01 PM  
Mod311

Rear steer is normally looked at as turning the rearend towards the wall to help turn the car in the turn. It is possible to have the car steer the opposite direction as well. I don't know when or why but it is possible.

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