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wissota3x
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 86
posted April 07, 2004 12:21 AM  
I sent a down payment for a frame and interior to a dealer for a well known chassis builder in the mid west.I drove 900 miles one way to pick it up.The dealer greeted me with an accusation of wanting to take the chassis home only to clone it.Apparently this well known chassis builder has a paranoia of people wanting to copy his cars.I don't want to mention any names but most of you know the story about one of the best mod drivers in the U.S. that drove one of these same chassis only to go home the following winter and build chassis off of stolen ideas.At least thats the story ???
I recieved a brief one page set-up sheet with the car.I have been trying to assemble the front end with all the proper components and there is no one who will tell me what ball joints to use.I called the chassis builder five times with no answer.( I think he has caller I.D)I'm starting to get a little P.O. After going back and reading some of the posts about this chassis and how easy it was to get set-up information, I feel like I'm singled out.
I feel like cutting this thing in half and hang a big DON'T BUY ONE sign on it.Place it at the entrance gate at the Boone nationals.That might get his attention!!! What would you guys do ?

I have since been able to talk to the dealer and he was helpfull .Thanks for all the input guys!!!

[This message has been edited by wissota3x (edited April 09, 2004).]

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted April 07, 2004 12:30 AM  
I would drive up to the chassis manufacturer with any type of reciept you have for the car and demand the info. you need.

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted April 07, 2004 03:56 AM  
If he has regular hours and days go there and be polite about getting info to finish the car but if he is not of assistance I would pick the busiest day he has when there are several people there to demand info and maybe that wil speed things up.

norightturn
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Total posts: 159
posted April 07, 2004 08:21 AM  
When he accused me of wanting to copy his cars I wouldve demanded my money back and told him to keep it. Now that you have carried it home if you try to return it, that will just reinforce his paranoia of you copying his car. If he is that well known, you should be able to find someone who knows what parts you need. I guess the only secret in dirt track racing today is the fact that he doesnt know that are no secrets in dirt track racing today.

driver27
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posted April 07, 2004 08:58 AM  
Practically every mod chassis out there has copied parts on it. Its the nature of the beast, and not really a bad thing. There are very few secrets out there concerning chassis. What makes one faster than the other is knowledge and how much work a team puts into the car on a weekly basis.

dirtbuster
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posted April 07, 2004 09:09 AM  
What is this builder going to do when somebody at the track looks at his car and goes home and copies it. When you think about it every car is basically a copy there really are no secrets and if there are they dont last long. IF a certain car is doing well then you can beleive it is going to be closely looked over by everyone to try and find out what makes it work well then they will copy it, its the nature of racing. If you dont feel like talking with the builder anymore and it is a well known chassis then chances are you can get the info you need here or from others if you let us know what chassis it is.

lil'blue
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Total posts: 25
posted April 07, 2004 10:03 AM  
I'd give him a call and tell him that you are going to post his name on a forum such as this to see if you can get tec support from others......if he doesn't pick up leave a message with your intentions, bet you'll have results real fast.

dirtbuster
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posted April 07, 2004 10:13 AM  
Is this builder in Iowa?

wissota3x
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posted April 07, 2004 10:23 AM  
I think that this whole thing is a big missunderstanding.I don't want to poor gas on the fire and reveal this guys name.I will through a P.M. though.Its just hard for me to believe that someone can be so cautious to protect his product that it drives away customers.Its almost like he goes through a screening procsess before he sells a car to someone.If you have any kind of an engineering back ground than thats a strike against you. I'm going to be a little sarcastic and congradulate this guy for waking up one morning and dreaming up this whole modified combination without ever looking at another car.LOL.
I have already had some personal messages from some good qualified people who can help me through the front end.I appreciate all of you guys concerns.

#13 mod
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Total posts: 72
posted April 07, 2004 08:34 PM  
It sounds to me like who ever you got this car from needs to work on there customer service program. Truth be know, there are very few difference in chassis that mean much. Most of the advatages are in the rear suspension and how well you match it to the track conditions. I know with our Harris we don't have any of those kind of problems, we call them and they feed us information. A lot of front ends are copies of a Harris if that helps with you setups.......

wissota3x
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posted April 07, 2004 10:54 PM  
This is on a metric stub with metric spindles and I have been trying to figure out what lower ball joint that is being used and if the spindle needs to be reamed or not.I suppose I could have the dealer send me the spindles and lower a frames with the ball joints and it would solve my problem.But I would be spending alot of extra money that I wouldn't have to.

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted April 08, 2004 04:19 AM  
I dont think the builder is in Iowa.

NJantz
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posted April 08, 2004 06:09 AM  
If you need lower ball joint parts for a metric control arm with a metric spindle, here ya go:
NAPA- NCP 2601418
AFCO- 20036

This is what I use on a GRT metric car.

And yes, you'll have to ream your spindles just a little bit.

[This message has been edited by NJantz (edited April 08, 2004).]

fr1
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posted April 08, 2004 06:16 AM  
This sounds like a Tall Cool car and I think they probably run the tall lower ball joint Afco 20038-1 or TRW 10264. You will to ream the bottom of the spindle. Make sure you ream it qwith a 2 inch per foot reamer. This is different than the top ball joints and if you don't use the correct one it will break ball joints. It runs the tall top BJ and you won't have to ream it.

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