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lucky13
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posted December 29, 2003 01:40 PM  
Dman
RE:The other associations are there to take advantage of you being mad at the large ones and getting your money.

Since we are all suckers, right? It is too bad if you have had this experience. I have paid less out of pocket, been paid more for finishes, and saved money on tires since I switched.

I am not one of the big money guys. It was much cheaper for me overall this year without IMCA.

I don't know if you were referring to me or zero with the "don't get mad at the local tech guys" comment. If you were referring to me, I was dealing with Tom Herbert at Beatrice. I then talked to his boss (at least the guy I thought was his boss) Brett Root. I was very civil to them. I didn't throw a "tantrum" as you so elegantly put it. They weren't being firm, they were being wrong. Also, I have no problem at all with the Beatrice guys. They did a great job this year putting on a another successful show despite terrible track conditions that were beyond their control.

I agree, racing IMCA is not fun. I can't understand why anybody would do it, unless there is nothing else. Or maybe a guy could buy a boat or take up golf. Or just spend the racecar budget on strippers.

superdave
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posted December 29, 2003 02:27 PM  
What happened at Beatrice?

dirtrace
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posted December 29, 2003 03:57 PM           send a private message to superdave   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
Look Im a outsider, I moved to iowa in dec. I have raced for 10 years at tracks changing rules etc.

I thought IMCA would be good.

how can they claim to keep racing affordable when a hobby car running a glide, is spending more for it due to allowing hollow converters than the stocks or mods? thats a easy fix, functioning torque converter, but then TCI who has been selling more hollow converters in the last year according to scott on here, than theyve sold in the last several years would lose out on sales..

IMCA shouldnt be involved with lining pockets period, and its clear they are.

supposedly the imca sticker on wheels is for ease of tech it tells the tech men its a 15x8 wheel etc. so why cant you take a truckload of your 15x8 wheels and get them measured by a IMCA tech and stickered???????


Jeff

Furyx3
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posted December 29, 2003 04:55 PM  
those that cry about IMCA need to come run UMP a while and get the following:

The worst Mod tire around the Hoosier, overpriced, worst sidewall on the planet
No tech people or non-existent tech
no enforcement of rules
motor costs that are out of control

Run under this system for a while with no options other than driving 4 hours or better and in my humble opinion you will soon start hoping that IMCA will return.

ford5
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posted December 29, 2003 05:22 PM  
very very true.....Fury and dman AMEN

fastow
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posted December 29, 2003 07:54 PM  
Hey this thread seems to have lost its topic lol (boubin and tire prices) like I said earlier does any one know what a tire cost to build. Maybe boubins actually loseing money on these things nobody so far has come up with any hard facts on what they think it takes to build a AR tire. Its like everyone got off on complaining about IMCA

zeroracing
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posted December 29, 2003 08:21 PM  
well imca is for imca, and ump has some dumb rules just find one you like and stick with it.
and for the guy who said eventually they will price themselves out, and mentioned usmts. well i know some really fast mods and some ofthe big usmts guys and well, IT COST A LOT ALREADY that is for people who are not afraid to spend some jack and want ot run big time. but for week to week i dont like imca much due to alot of different reasons, i have never had anything wiht ump so would not know.
no i am not a imca member and will probally never be in my life. i like nascar alot they seem to be a good one.

madmodshoe
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posted December 29, 2003 09:15 PM  
Here's the lowdown guys!!!

Money has taken over our sport! Whether you run IMCA, UMP, USMTS, ect.... It takes a pile of it to go racing. All of the above mentioned sanctions are in the business to make money! Not help the local guy. Not help the touring guy. Not to help the fan.

Until racers start to treat this game as a business nothing is going to change. It will continue to get more expensive until the promoters and sanctioning bodies are no longer making money. Only then will they look for a way reduce the cost of racing. And to be honest, it's not the sanctions that are making it so expensive, it us! So what are we gonna do?

rexalott
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posted December 30, 2003 03:01 PM  
I dont know about these tires in particular, but I used to work for Michelin, and there's a lot more to building a tire than most people realize.
Costs are fairly high, especially if the worker's are making URW union wages.I think the $30 tire is a myth, unless they come from Korea, and then the shipping adds up.The profit margin is not that high, the market is limited....
Still, its hard to see why the price jumped so much all at once...

fastow
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posted December 31, 2003 12:48 AM  
Rexalot sounds like you might have a clue as to what a tire would cost take a guess what do you think one could make a tire like this for. if we doubled the 30 or 35 $$$quote we would still be in at 60 to 70 $$$. but we don't set the price. just have to pay it. Does any one know what was boubin charging anyway we where gettin them for like 85 or something close to that at the track this last year. If I remember right wasn't there a place that made AR tires that was called Dayton tire company I think they where from out east or in indiana some place

Greggie
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posted January 01, 2004 09:42 AM  
I am friends with a parts supplier that was selling them at $76 at the track in 2002. He said he was losing money and just wanted to get business in the door (He was a new business just getting started at the time). This year he was in line with the other suppliers at $82 - 84 and not losing money, but not getting rich. I think the gouger is Boubin. I suspect the manufacturer couldn't care less which tire they are building. It's ALWAYS the middle-man that makes the big money, not the producer or the final distributor. I look at the price of some of the "winter use only" snow tires and can't help but think that sincce there are so few warehouse distributors (4 or 5 nationwide I think) that it is totally the lack competition among W/D's that keeps driving up the price. In another year, we might as well be running the EC-2! Of course, that brings the horsepower issue back into the equation, and we don't need to make this class the land of the monster motors by putting THAT tire on the Mods.

Greg

HarrisMod#30
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posted January 01, 2004 10:31 AM  
If I remember right wasn't there a place that made AR tires that was called Dayton tire company I think they where from out east or in indiana some place[/B][/QUOTE]

this place is in Indiana.... http://www.americanracetires.com/


dirtywrench13
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posted January 08, 2004 05:43 AM  
i met arvis back in 94 or 95 and he soon told me and my driver that kathy root(ceo of imca) pockets 20$a tire! if you want proof just float past her house on the cedar river,near vinton, and you will see what i'm talking about!the tire dealers arent making as much money as we all think.i know boubin's cost back then was about 30$a tire. we were buying them from arvis for 65$ each at that time!jerry &kathy gotta retire one of these days,but i'm worried that the tire price will go up even higher!

modracr41
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posted January 08, 2004 07:44 AM  
I hear what you guys are saying, and IMCA is far from a perfect system, however, if you compare it to UMP, then it's far better. I've never seen a UMP official make a statement or comment on one of these boards. I've seen Brett Root more than once. He seems to care about what happens. As for the Roots getting rich off the racer, well, I don't think that's the case at all. I think that they do well, and I think that they should make some money for being the sanctioning body for a bunch of idiots that want to cry and complain like a bunch of kids when they don't win. However, I do think that there is a better way when it comes to the tire argument. If you read the post on whowon.com , you will see that they have some very real answers to this problem. One would be to open up the tire specifications to another manufacturer and have some competition. Another idea was to open the tire rule up to a certain size passenger car tire with the stipulation that it must have a specified pyro reading after the feature. I'm not sure what the final answer is, but I can say for sure that paying $100 for a tire is not it. AND for the few that are going to say that I'm defending IMCA or working for them, that's just not the case. I work for a living and support my racing hobby myself with NO sponsorship what-so-ever. The bottom line is that this directly affects my racing cost and I would like something to be done about it. Just my opinion and ..................See ya at the track!!

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