posted October 26, 2003 08:08 PM
Wauge- is UMP trying to make rules against TC? Wissota is right now, but they don't know what to do. My chassis builder is on the Wissota board and is in charge of TC rules suggestions. He has called around and accumulated about 200 pages of descriptions from manufacterers, TC products, and different styles. As far as I can tell, there is no way to keep it out. I was reading some of this stuff, and these companies go a long way to keep there stuff stealth. TC is available for absolutely ANY ignition setup, and will be nearly impossible to detect.
They have had many suggestions on how to detect TC.
Tire temps. They have said the a car with much cooler tires post feature would be suspect. This works badly against me as we always have cool tires and don't run it. Hard to tear a guys car apart and call him a cheater because he spends hours and hours on setup.
Ignition claim by racers. They started with this, but don't know what price to put on ignitions. $200? $500? I don't know about you, but I would be happy to sell my DUI fo $500.
In response to this claim thinking, they thought exchange plus less money maybe. I said great as I think I can stay on the lead lap with a stock HEI, and then I can buy a complete MSD setup for a couple hundred bucks, right? I wouldn't do it anyway, but you get my point, right?
What do you do? Make it so you can only claim similar/same setups? Then if the guy is running a Mopar or Ford he is unclaimable? Or even MSD vs. Accel vs. Crane, etc...
They talked about spec ignition. This will open the door to lawsuits (Ex:Ernie Brookins-tranny-Wissota and IMCA paid on this one). Also, if they say MSD only, you can get it in an MSD box. You can get it in anything (DUI, Crane, Accel, etc...).
Swap before the feature. I love taking my ignition out 60 times a year. Where do you stop? Distributor? Coil? Wiring harness? It is so small, it could be anywhere. I doesn't have to be mounted in the box to work. There are setups that connect with and alligator clip on the igniton lead.
In the paperwork my chassis guy received, there was a page from a TC manufacterer that made fun of Winston Cup tech. He used fiber optic wiring smaller than human hair and sandwiched his chip (less than 1/16th of an inch square) in a carbon fiber dash panel. WC tech sawed this guys dash in to 1/8 inch squares and didn't find it. I think WC tech is probably better than most of us see on Saturday night. If they can't find it, how will our tech guys?
They talked about legalizing it. The biggest down side here is it would be hard for someone to get into a Wissota mod from IMCA/UMP/whatever thinking that they had to have this to be competitive. To many guys TC is some super expensive voodoo. Be real guys, you all have probably raced against it sometime. Many of the IMCA guys around here aren't that interested in Wissota because they think they will need to spend so much on their engines to compete. Imagine if they had to add another $2500-6000 to that for TC. The class would die. There are few among us that would put too much into a racing program if we figured we had very little chance of winning or we were at a huge disadvantage as soon as we got on the track.
Of all the info I have read, everybody still says the best TC teching devices are your eyes and ears. I told them to go with a promoter claim on ignitions. If they think you have it, they can take your stuff for some $'s and send it in for testing. If it is legit, they can sell it back to you. This would keep that racers from claiming for the wrong reasons. Only problem is, the promoters won't do it. They don't want to make anybody mad and lose cars.
I have no good solutions for this problem. I posted earlier this year in the IMCA vs. TC post that I was unaware of TC with the Hoosier tires. That was in June or July. In October, I know there is TC in Wissota, and I race against it weekly (sometimes weakly..lol).
Anyone have any ideas?
I think I may have made it through this whole post without complaining about IMCA...WOW!