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LAYNE_Trans
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posted December 17, 2002 04:21 PM  
The transmission as pictured below retails at $3100, roughly $1000 less than a Sniper.

Complete tranmission, clutch assembly and hydraulics. Watch the website for options and the latest and greatest news.

We have a unit that is currently IMCA legal in the Sniper, and I cannot speculate on what will also be legal in the future.

[This message has been edited by LAYNE_Trans (edited December 17, 2002).]

HarrisMod#30
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posted December 17, 2002 05:38 PM  
ok, so im assuming you sent one in for product approval. Thanks

HarrisMod#30
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posted December 17, 2002 05:39 PM  
ok, so im assuming you sent one in for product approval. Thanks

LAYNE_Trans
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posted December 18, 2002 12:05 PM  
We don't send anything in, we meet with IMCA for them to review and discuss the product we are introducing.


We have taken this approach since long before the "approved" concept entered the rules discussion.

Do you think your carb people or the guys that design your headers bother to meet with IMCA or any organization to show them what they are introducing ? We have tried to coexist with IMCA for years, they may not like the price tag on our stuff but they cannot argue it is effective, reliable and made to meet the rules.

The Sniper is a legal IMCA unit regardless, and is about a grand higher priced so I hope that price is not a factor in approval.

superdave
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posted December 20, 2002 10:13 AM  
What rule does the ASN meet?

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LAYNE_Trans
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posted December 22, 2002 08:30 PM  
Dave,

Guess I am unsure at this point what rule it needs to meet. We have an IMCA legal transmission with the Sniper, and the ASN is the best aftermarket piece around for other sanctions.

If we can get an IMCA approval on the ASN we will as the modified class sanctioned or not, makes up a large customer potential.

What any sanctioning body does by requiring "approved" or "spec" pieces, is reduce the freedom people have to acquire parts from their own sources or sponsors.

Is next year when we go to totally fabricated modified chassis since the entire mod can now be made from aftermarket parts, a couple catalogs and a credit card if you use a stock frame ?

superdave
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posted December 22, 2002 10:55 PM  
Undoubtedly a nice piece but I'm dissapointed in the price. I swear you wrote somewhere once that if you could eliminate the fabricated case you could produce a transmission like the Bert/Brinn for $1600. Not an exact quote but something like that. I was really hoping for that.

Approving parts helps provide a more level playing field and consistant rule enforcement. It doesn't restrict choice as the already approved transmissions are availible from dozens of sources at competitive prices. The stock parts are still legal also so how many choices is that already? Who else sells a Layne but Layne?

Approving parts is standard practice in most all sanctioning bodies. Sanctioning bodies have unenviable task of satisfying both the promoter and the racer. If the playing field gets too un-level then the show the promoter is selling becomes less appealing to the fans. If the playing field gets too un-level then the sanction becomes less appealing to the racers.

I'm not necessarily against the ASN for any reason. But i'd like to know the advantage over a Bert/Brinn transmission. I'm sure the high gear disconnect is worth something but how much different is the loss of horsepower? Sell me on what makes it better.

KK17
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posted December 23, 2002 12:32 PM  
I second that superdave...I think it was last spring or late winter on the Whowon.com board that Layne stated if they could use a case other than the oem stuff they could compete in price with the berts/brinns...I've got a bert and love it...it would be hard to convince me to lay out another chunk of change to upgrade to the ASN..although I'm sure it is a nice piece..it sure looks pretty!!

LAYNE_Trans
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posted December 23, 2002 12:57 PM  
If IMCA would leave the rules alone long enough for us to tool up and not have to throw away we could get the price down on this.

We scrap a lot of parts and tooling with each change in design. Add to that the money wasted in development and advertising with each new change and you may start to see the light.

And we can build a fabricated piece in the price of a Bert or Brinn, but the ASN is a superior piece in design and materials. We wanted the best, and strive for it.

This was not intended to compete in price with them, it was intended to offer an advantage over theirs at a fair price.

The pictures do not do justice to the piece, you have to see this in person.

Dave,

I will have one with me when I come home for Christmas if you want to see it.

Mike

superdave
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posted December 23, 2002 01:14 PM  
You don't have to convince me that it's a top quality piece. No one that's seen a Layne would think otherwise. I question how much it helps weekly racing and the average weekly racer. The reliability I like. The advantage a few with Snipers and ASN's may have over the average weekly IMCA type racer is what worries me.

I thought I saw your wagon around JC the other day. You going to be at the Wichita auction?

LAYNE_Trans
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posted December 23, 2002 02:44 PM  
Doubt I will make Wichita, too much going on right now and need to be in Kansas City this weekend for other honey-do type stuff.

Wagon is at the body shop there in Junction City after a theft recovery...woo hoo.

Guy steals my custom painted purple pearl caprice wagon with my logos all over it, and a personalized tag that says "ROADTRIP" leaves a stolen and well signed lawn care truck parked in the driveway with a tag reading "TURF" and we came home as he was driving away in my ride...cell phone in hand, cops were on him in 6 blocks, high speed chase, crash....the GPS said he had her at 114 MPH when he lost control, got sideways and slid over 600 feet (still sideways), bails on foot, foot search, K-9's, helicoptors, busted dude..like something out of COPS...

What a night. Dennis (UNIQUE Body & Color) has the body work done, waiting on the tires, wheels, glass and trim to finish it up I guess...I hoped to have it back for the K-State bowl game roadtrip to California this week but that got cancelled and replaced with honey-do projects when the car got crashed.

hamer36
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posted January 15, 2003 04:59 PM  
just pull the distributor and look down the hole

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Originally posted by LAYNE_Trans:
Greggie,

we have not lost our niche. Our sniper trans will still outperform any aftermarket piece currently available, period.

ANyone seen the back rooom at Layne ? Anyone interested in the lowest drag, lightest weight and shortest trans available ? Do not think that we sit idly by and wait for rules and build parts, we build parts and wait for rules.

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personally I think if your friggin motor claim rule that you tout is so great, you have no reason to limit the motors...let the guys run the high dollar aluminum heads, everyone can just shop at the track for their next $500 set with a free motor in the deal...and why would anyone in their infinite wisdom impose a rule that you cannot easily tech without teardown like looking for a roller cam.



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