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speeronline
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 102
posted September 25, 2003 09:48 PM  
I race at Hot Rod Hill Speedway in Bryan Texas. It is an awesome track that is very fast!! We currently have a "mini" stock class that runs front and rear wheelers with carbs or injected... pretty much an open class with the only rule being >> it has to have a 4 cyl engine.
A few drivers have gotten together and are writing up some rules for the class to draw in cars from other tracks next season and they are basically trying to outlaw FWD's and Injected cars.
What are other tracks doing to grow their class? I know they are trying to level the field (slow cars complaining). This is a 2 year old track and everyone is still learning how it all works. We consistantly have 10-12 cars (mini's) running every weekend and the field is split down the middle on carbs/injected - FWD/RWD so we can't have 2 classes yet.
-->Any do's and don'ts are very welcome!<--

Speeronline


mnm
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 18
posted September 25, 2003 10:59 PM  
I live in EAST TEXAS and am tech man for many motor speedway and 171 raceway, both in Louisana.We could go on for hours about do's and don'ts!!!
try to control weight and displacement and most of your problems will disolve.
i'm not too keen on injected against carbed.
and you certainly don't want a 79 stang showing up with injection.
you also don't want to compete against a cosworth in a vega!
you might find a split between mods and stocks a useful thing.e.g.more modifieds coming to your track
just my thoughts

USAUS Racing
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 69
posted September 26, 2003 08:45 AM  
Heck here in Eastern Oregon our minis can be FWD or RWD, any weight BUT must use a single two-barrel downdraught carby. No injectors and no side draught carbys. Other than that the engine MUST be stock.

4b316
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 87
posted September 27, 2003 08:26 AM  
Keep the rules simple,no multi valve engines,carb,injected ok.Everybody weighs 2400 lbs.keeps the escorts and toyotas from running away.All tires the same,no lockers,no stagger.Get a good tech man and give him final say.This is supposed to be a introductory class to get guys into racing not a place to stay the rest of their career.You want to spend money and win more than 5 races you have to move up a class.Harsh?you bet!We all have seen too many tracks blow the rules all out and price out the new guys

maweenie
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 21
posted September 27, 2003 10:40 AM  
goto blackrockspeedway.com they have some good rules racing there with usually 30-40 cars a night. You will have to get rid of some cars( front wheel drive and injection but makes for a very competive class without a lot of money, under $4000) mustangs and toyota celicas all the most common cars

USAUS Racing
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 69
posted September 28, 2003 08:34 AM  
Why get rid of FWD cars?? As long as the cars are really stock and not disguised modifieds (except for injection replaced with carb) what should it matter if they car is FWD or RWD??

Here in Baker OR we run all cars with injectors replaced, carbs can be any single 2 barrel downdraught no side draught carbs.Minimum of 7" wide rims but stock diameter. Everything else is suppopsed to be OEM. Maximum of 2400cc engine. I hope to get one rule change for 2004 - 1lb per 1cc. Currently no weight limitations. Seconds thought maybe change OEM to stock for make and model.

We run a 1600 Didge Colt (FWD) against Mustangs. No wins but plenty of top 5s.

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speeronline
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 102
posted September 28, 2003 05:59 PM  
They are telling us that FWD's are tearing up the track, but they have made them go to 8" wheel/tire to stop that already. The FWD's at our track are not really competitive anyway but they do help with the car count.($$$!!!) I have an 83 celica RWD that is easy to swap from injected to carb. I plan to stay within the rules and stay competitive but I was wondering if anyone else has had to deal with I.T.S. (Infant Track Syndrome)
Is it good to have a claim rule? If so what is a fair claim $? I have heard of a $500/$750/& $1000.
This is my 2nd yr in racing and all of the people that are racing here at this track have about the same experience so they are looking to other tracks in the area and on the net to find the rules.
Any other suggestions?
Speeronline

mnm
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 18
posted September 28, 2003 08:51 PM  
the engine claim deal WILL make enemys of friends! it will cost you more in the long run

KSGerry
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 376
posted September 29, 2003 11:19 AM  
Have a few basic rules and concentrate your tech inspection efforts on safety. As for the racing purse, pay each competitor the same amount per event for weekly events but have a points accumulation account (determined by show up and race finish) to be paid out at mid-season and at the season's end. Event winners will receive a trophy and recognition. At year's end, the racer with the most points wins the championship and a proportional amount of the points fund. Those finishing second, third, fourth, fifth, etc will receive an award and their share of the points fund. Limit it to the top "X" number of cars...top 20, top 25, top 30 whatever, then do not pay out anything to racers who finish outside that set number. This method recognizes the racers who faithfully attend their "home" track.

Accept the fact that this is a hobbyist class. Racers...slow or fast will always be complaining about something. ;>)

Just my nickel's worth of an opinion...
Gerry Dedonis

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speeronline
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 102
posted September 29, 2003 06:51 PM  
Thanks GS! That was worth more than a nickel! but don't look for a check! hahaha I guess they are definately going to kick out the FWD's and injected so I need to find me an intake and carb for my celica. I won the heat and the feature late Sat. by a half a lap with my injected setup!
My wife wants me to build her a car for next season so I am pretty excited about growing the class like that!
Thank you for the input.
Speeronline

USAUS Racing
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 69
posted September 30, 2003 08:39 AM  
Im sorry to hear of the loss of FWD at your track. In a sense they are going to suffer for it - some drivers will go to a track where FWD cars are allowed rather than build another car.

FWD cars DO NOT tear up a track any more than a RWD and definitely not as much as a modified or super stock does. In fact considering that my FWD Colt is straighter thru corners (no rear slide) compared to the Mustangs, Pintos and other RWD cars I'd suspect that they tear it up less.

Still your tracks loss is another tracks gain

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