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Author Topic:   what do you think about running mini stock trucks with mini stock cars
techmaster35
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posted December 27, 2001 09:16 PM  
i need some info on what you think

sideways
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posted December 27, 2001 11:00 PM  
I am not a mini stock driver.But I think a mixed field of cars and trucks is an ugly site.Just my 2cents.Not looking to upset anyone here.Just thought I would give an opinion.thanks

SpeedRush
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posted December 27, 2001 11:47 PM  
They run together here, and Its never been a problem. I guess it depends on the other drivers. They compete well with the cars.


SPEEDRUSH

cravens86
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posted December 28, 2001 02:09 AM  
One of the things that always drew me to the mini-stocks was the diversity of the cars that all competed together. I think that the trucks fit right in. I hope that the majority of the tracks continue to feel that way too, since there doesn't seem to be all that many of us around to have a class of our own.

dirttracker98
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posted December 28, 2001 02:45 AM  
They would let you run a mini-truck with the mini-stocks at Clarksville,Tn.,the only rules stipulation was that the tailgate on the truck had to be up at all times!!I guess they did'nt want nobody loosing their "cargo" on the track

techmaster35
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posted December 28, 2001 11:49 AM  
we don't race trucks at 35 raceway because the rearends are so light in them it lets them get out of the corners faster but i could cure that with about 300 pounds of weight in the rear. i dont care what your comments are, negative or positive i just want to know what you guy think.
THANKS!!!!!

dirttracker98
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posted December 28, 2001 05:47 PM  
What difference does it make if it's a truck or a car,as long as your class survives. is there a big enuff car count to keep mini-stocks running,if not let the trucks in,if there is enuff trucks for a class of their own,then try them,sounds like you just don't want the competition!!

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techmaster35
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posted December 28, 2001 07:04 PM  
i want the trucks but my boss dont. they say they have the advantage but i can equal it out with rules. the cars dont have weight limits but are restricted to 2400cc's but most are over that because we dont check the engines but we do check vacuum and compression on the engines

dirttracker98
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posted December 29, 2001 01:39 AM  
Sounds like you need to pump the engines,that gets done where we race,takes all of 10 minutes to do it,The track can pump any one at any time,if you run in the top 3 places in the feature,you may get checked.The track has started a protest fee for 2002,if you protest and win you get the protest fee back,if you loose the protest the one you protested gets the money.Anyone that refuses an engine pump,or protest inspection,is disqualified,loss of payoff,and of points,and if you finished in a posotion wher you recieve a trophy,you loose that also.

SpeedRush
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posted December 29, 2001 09:46 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by techmaster35:
i want the trucks but my boss dont. they say they have the advantage but i can equal it out with rules. the cars dont have weight limits but are restricted to 2400cc's but most are over that because we dont check the engines but we do check vacuum and compression on the engines

Unless you have a really slow car, keeping up with the trucks shouldn't be an issue. A little competion is healthy for a racer. Just my opinion....but it sounds like "your boss" is worried about getting out ran. That's a normal fear if a driver is used to winning. Who is the driver....or do you both drive? Either way...If your good, then don't let something like that intimidate you. Regardless of how fast a race car is due to weight, motor, etc.;A good driver can out drive a driver with bigger motors, etc. At one of our local tracks we don't get checked either but I think they should in-force them. A little intimidation is all a driver needs to win a race. If you know you are intimidating to the another driver that can be all you need to win a race. I'm not saying go around bragging, but if you are confident in your driving ability then chances are you will do your best. This is just my opinion......I think this may be what your boss is worried about.
SpeedRush

techmaster35
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posted December 29, 2001 02:18 PM  
my boss is the track owner and i am 1 of 2 tech inspectors. neither of us race but his son races junior honda sprint cars but not at our track.it isnt a matter of the drivers ability its a mater of the the winning advantage of being light weight but like i said before i can change that with rules and weight brakes.

jim welsh
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posted December 29, 2001 10:40 PM  
We have run with the trucks for the last 8 years at Midway or Crooksville, depending on who is running it. There are some that are fast and there are the mid packers. The only promlem is exactly what you mentioned is that they come of the corners faster and when they are sliding through the corners they look like a fullsize truck. They take longer to set up to pass which is hard to do with only 12 or 15 lap features. Looks like we may come over to your track which is a good 2 to 3 hrs. pulling a trailer. We just found out they are going to run only front wheel drive four cylinders. pure stock only. We have lost some cars in recent years but we still manage 15 regulars.

dirttracker98
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posted December 30, 2001 09:56 AM  
I can't understand how a track can make a rule like engine size,and then have no way to properly check the engine for size.We all know that a racer would never fib to you about his engine size if asked,or any other part you may be checking on his car/truck.That is like saying "he beat me so he has got to be cheating"or"I can't help it if they can't beat me,my stuff is legal,I guess I got more skill then they do!!"

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techmaster35
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posted December 30, 2001 01:50 PM  
jim if you are coming to 35 raceway you might as well save the trip cause we dont let front wheel drive cars race. if you got a rearwheel drive car bring it on over. but no trucks allowed either. dirttracker we know who is not running in the rules and we can stop that with a quick tear down and inspection. and jim whoever told you we was gonna run front wheel drive pure stocks is smoking crack. there is going to be a lot of really ****ed off guys if this is true. if you want to tell the guys this go ahead but its your funeral. HA HA !!!!!!

jim welsh
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posted December 31, 2001 10:16 PM  
Techmaster I guess I didn't come across clear enough. We run at midway speedway in crooksville. They are the one's that are going to run front wheel drives. Yes there are about 15 of us that are ****ed off. We haven't decided between your track or Jackson. Jackson's track is closer to midway's layout. Just undecided unless you can keep from ticking off me and my influence on the other guys. And yes I have a lot!!!!!

techmaster35
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posted January 01, 2002 06:52 PM  
i am sorry mr welsh i didnt mean to offend you. what i percieved you as saying is that we (35 RACEWAY) were going to front wheel drives. i thought you heard this as a rumor. i meant there was going to be guys at our track mad. not you and the guys from your track as mad. i meant it jokingly when i said."its going to be your funeral when you tell the guys." we would love to have you guys come to the track. i am very very sorry for the miss understanding. i hope i didnt offend you or anybody else. it was a mess up on my part. im sorry. please accept my opology for the miss understanding on my part.
LOGAN STANFORTH

bbracer17
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posted January 01, 2002 08:34 PM  
techmaster, as a racer that has raced in the lower classses such as ministocks a track teardown is a poor way to treat your new and budget racers. A track should own the proper equipment to properly tech a car without causing undo expense to a racer.

techmaster35
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posted January 01, 2002 09:14 PM  
we got the tools but we trust the racers enough to not spend the time teching them that much. we check compression and vacuum at so many RPMs. we got the tools to check the bore & stroke because we use them on the 600cc sprints, 250cc midgets, and dwarf cars to check the cc's. we have implemented new rules for 2002 for the stock and modified class of 4 cylinders that will help save them some money. we have guys in the 4 cyl mod class that have full wedge bodied 4 cyl latemodels. it keeps the appearance of the class at a higher standard but we also want stock appearing cars too. the problem is they spend too much money in my opinion. but thats my opinion and sometimes my opinion dont count. they build wedge bodies and put them on the stock uni-body. with at least 6 point cages. the stock classes have to have stock bodies and six point cages.SAFETY is our NUMBER 1 issue "ALWAYS." visit our site at www.35raceway.com

sideways34
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posted January 03, 2002 02:51 AM  
Hey if I can jump in here, I am a Modified driver now but for six years I ran a mini. I ran against many different trucks from toyotas to chevy luvs and ford couriers. I don't mean to sound concieted when I say this but I beat all of them. I ran a ford pinto. The only one I couldn't beat on a consistant bassis is the ford courier. We both had almost identical engines. He was my team mate, and best friend. We raced like we were enemies on the track (rubbin is racin, if ya catch what I mean)but we were both there to fix each others cars. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with letting trucks run with cars. Myself and another racer that ran a pinto,and the truck were always up front it was usually a three way battle. It usually came down to who didn't mess up and go high or get out of shape. None of us had a horsepower advantage, it was a drivers race. Just to let you know all three engines came from the same engine shop. Two pintos(cars)and one truck, I don't see any problem with that. We run kind of an outlaw mini class, but no weight jacks,only stock suspension, and an 8" footprint on tires. The engines are almost unlimited, there are restrictions but not many. We have to run 2bbl carbs, and thats about it. All I am trying to say is that I DO NOT believe that trucks give an advantage. Just my $.02 worth. If your sideways you gotta turn right!!!!!!!!!

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