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Author Topic:   Powerstroke, Cummins, or Duramax?
1limitedmod
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 18
posted September 26, 2003 10:23 AM  
I'm wanting to get a new truck ('99-'02)and need some experienced opinions. It will be a short bed, crew cab, single axle, and used to haul a enclosed trailer.

wizzard
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posted September 26, 2003 03:22 PM  
my neighbor works at a chev dealership and cuses every time a duramax comes in theyve ben havin a lot of problems with those the powerstroke is good but i think the cummins is far better after about 80years i think they got the deisel down pat buy now and think of it this way if duramax and powerstrokes are so good why dont they build a bigger version for bigrigs?ive seen 5 to600,000 miles on those lil'cumins already.just if you get the dodge with the cumins get the optional alison auto or the 6 speed with the 4.10 gears that makes a good combo

15a
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Total posts: 354
posted September 26, 2003 05:49 PM  
Dodge had manual transmission problems with the 5-speeds. I don't own one but several friends have had trouble with these. Ask around.

rico 08
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posted September 27, 2003 09:09 AM  
Freightliner FL70 with a caterpillar 3126 and a fuller 6 speed autoshift,seriously i'm a chevy guy but i'm not too crazy 'bout the duramax,an all aluminum diesel seems to always cause problems,i guess in a light truck the dodge with the cummins is the one,but in the big rig world they are the least reliable in my opinion.

Rick D
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 64
posted September 29, 2003 12:15 PM  
I have a 2000 ford F250 crew cab with the diesel and love it. 69,000 miles and tows like a champ.


nate 11
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posted October 03, 2003 04:41 PM  
CAT peterbilt........ lol aint that right wizzard?

wizzard
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posted October 03, 2003 07:24 PM  
most definetly a 3406 b CAT works for me but the peterbuilt thing i dont know about lol.. freightliner here man all the way

cardr
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Total posts: 55
posted October 06, 2003 08:08 PM  
I have an 01 2500 5.9HO Cummins 6-speed. Couldn't ask for anything more! It pulls like there's nothing behind it!!! I haven't had any problems with it. I have the 4.10 gears in mine, and believe it's too much! The engine has I believe 275HP, 505 torque. It doesn't need those gears to tow. One of the main reasons for the 6-speed introduction is that there was to much RPM drop from 3rd to 4th in the 5-speed, and you would go out of the turbo range. The 6-speed allowed you to always stay in the range of the turbo.

I don't know that there is an option to get an Alison in a dodge. If this is true great, but don't get the dodge auto. It won't hold up the rigors of towing! If you have to have the auto, and the alison isn't an option I would seriously consider the Duramax, because of the Alison!

I have only heard bad things about the Powerstrokes. Nothing first hand, but like someone else stated, if they put a bigger cummins in over the road trucks you know it's gotta be a good one!!!

mod4
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Total posts: 223
posted October 09, 2003 09:01 PM  
I have a new (two weeks) '04 Dodge Cummings. 50 more HP and 100lbs more torque then before, with a 6 Speed.
This beeotch is bad to the bone. I have a Sprint trailer, 35' long, one of those tall ones, and I let off at 90mph cause thats fast enough. Loaded, a 2500# modified and a 360 SprintCar, I can stay with traffic from a dead stop easy.

The auto problems have been a non issue since the mid-90's, but this 6 speed is truely bad @$$ .... drive one, you won't believe it.

Racer111
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Total posts: 259
posted November 08, 2003 06:58 PM  
The Ford powerstroke runs real good but make sure it has a large trans cooler on it.Stock there small at least on my 96 it was.As far as pulling there good but could use a little hopping up.Put a KN filter in it,Banks down tube,and a chip,then they pull real good.

Racer64
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 55
posted November 09, 2003 11:04 AM  
I have an '02 3500 Dodge dually Cummins Diesel and just added the new Superchips microtuner and WOW. I can pull my 36' enclosed as fast as I want to. The tuner added about 40HP and 70lbs of torque. The six speed and 3.55 rear gears allow me to get about 17 mpg pulling the trailer and 20 to 22 without. The tuner is well worth the $420, Ill soon pay for it with the fuel milage increase let alone the increase in power. Oh and this is a 4x4. I couldnt believe the milage myself when I first installed it I have since checked and double checked.

DMS CEO
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posted November 22, 2003 01:42 PM  
CUMMINS, CUMMINS, CUMMINS, CUMMINS. THINK ABOUT IF THATS WHAT ENGINE THEY USE IN TUGBOATS THEN WHY THE **** WOULDNT IT PULL YOUR RACECAR TRAILER.

zeroracing
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posted November 26, 2003 10:45 PM  
cummings are the best out of those, but i would consider gas. on of the late model guys tried it, it borrowed a powerstroke,
then used a new duramax(one of his sponsors is the chevy dealer), and a cummings, and his motor home(with a 454) the motor home out did them all for gas milage. and has more than enough power so that kinda throws it all out. my 81 dually with a 454 can get 16 or more per gallon.

tgarner
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posted December 13, 2003 02:42 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by wizzard:
my neighbor works at a chev dealership and cuses every time a duramax comes in theyve ben havin a lot of problems with those the powerstroke is good but i think the cummins is far better after about 80years i think they got the deisel down pat buy now and think of it this way if duramax and powerstrokes are so good why dont they build a bigger version for bigrigs?ive seen 5 to600,000 miles on those lil'cumins already.just if you get the dodge with the cumins get the optional alison auto or the 6 speed with the 4.10 gears that makes a good combo

Duramax is made by Isuzu, which is the largest diesel engine builder in the world, you'll meet way more trucks on the road with an Isuzu diesel in them than any other brand. As far as problems with the Duramax in the Chevy truck, there are very few percentage wise. I also work at a GM dealership, and we have sold hundreds of them. We have had a lot of customers switch from the Cummins and the Powerstroke and seem to be ver pleased.


trapperscott
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Total posts: 33
posted December 17, 2003 04:34 PM  
I have a Ford F-350 Diesel with 145,000 on it it runs good but is a horable starter.I also work at a garage with multiple brand new Ford Diesel 02's and 03's that dont start good cause they have to crank and crank. I had a dodge that i just got rid of that started on a dimeand was the best darn runner.I guess they all have there posatives and neg's.

LMDIRTFAN_42
Dirt Roller

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posted December 21, 2003 10:36 PM  
Tgarner they might me the biggest engine manf. in the world but they still have one problem. chevy had to go and stick there nose in the mix... ford and dodge did it right just use someone else that knows what is going on and is a proven leader and let them do what they know would you buy a well known late model with thier motor or would you buy a well known lm with a well known engine builders motor in it?

jasonracin19x
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Total posts: 45
posted December 22, 2003 05:12 PM  
i have a 01 duramax and a 03 powerstroke 6.0 and the duramax is like driving a sportscar compared to the ford. they both pull great, but the chevy get alot better mileage towing or empty,i do have the banks stinger kit on the duramax, but even with out it i think the chevy just pulls better, even the girlfriend thinks so and she isnt a truck freak like myself,,,,, if your in the vegas area, come by will let you test drive!!! email jasonracin19x@aol.com

GO 24
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posted December 23, 2003 12:16 PM  
I have a 2000 F350/DRW 7.3 powerstroke with a Hypertech power programmer and love it. Fully loaded with a 28' ft enclosed, all tools, and a late model will keep up with traffic from a deadstop and can set the cruise on the interstate at 70mph! A friend of mine has the new powerstroke 6.0 and really likes it but felt it needed a programmer.

tgarner
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 16
posted December 23, 2003 10:19 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by LMDIRTFAN_42:
Tgarner they might me the biggest engine manf. in the world but they still have one problem. chevy had to go and stick there nose in the mix... ford and dodge did it right just use someone else that knows what is going on and is a proven leader and let them do what they know would you buy a well known late model with thier motor or would you buy a well known lm with a well known engine builders motor in it?

LOL, well they didn't start building their engines either, International built the ford diesels, and Dodge wouldn't hardly sell a truck if it weren't for the Cummins. They all three have pretty darn good engines in them, and now finally Chevy is getting a pretty big chunk of the pie, And wouldn't be if they weren't performing well.


Dman
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posted January 09, 2004 02:15 PM  
Getting advice from a dealer mechanic is not always the best advice.I am a Mechanic by trade and we only see these trucks and cars when they are having trouble not when they're running well.We don't see the success stories.The internationals are dependable as heck but get crummy mileage.The Cummins is bulletproof but heavy.
The Powerstroke is a rocket out of the box without having to spend money on a tuner kit or exhaust system.Not to mention the Powerstroke is really quiet.Take your pick they are all good.Just a problem to park.Dman

waltonjr1
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Total posts: 516
posted January 17, 2004 11:27 PM  
If you want to see for yourself what diesel engines have the most problems go to www.dieseldoctor.com and click on the message board tab. By far the worst Diesel engine built was the Chevy 6.5 turbo. The worst part is I own one.lol

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fast_crew
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 99
posted January 21, 2004 07:52 PM  
I also work at a GM deaership and the only problems that we have had so far seems to be due to moisture in the fuel, rusted infector feed tube fittings leaking and a few bad injectors. But thats about it.

UNVRNO
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 136
posted January 24, 2004 07:36 AM  
somebody said get gas. no way.

I bought a 93 f350 crew cab dually 2wd. gas 460, it will tow anything, but at 65mph towing I get6 mpg, and above that to 70-75 I get 4 mpg. Enclosed older heavy trailer.

Empty I dont get over 9 mpg.

I bought it because I had a 79 pumped up custom chevy and figured a 93, with 60,000 miles had to be better on gas. Also because I wanted a 2wd which is harder to find used.

Ive been looking for diesels, to maybe but havent seen any under 150,000 miles. Id like a 93-99 or so.

yamaha
Dirt Newbie

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posted January 27, 2004 08:11 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by 15a:
Dodge had manual transmission problems with the 5-speeds. I don't own one but several friends have had trouble with these. Ask around.

I think those five speeds that had so many problems were the muncie getrag 85mm units
which are also in 1/2 ton chevs. They can hardly handle that, my truck is on its seconed one and it's going bad with only 160K on the truck. must have been one dumb s.o.b. that thought he could put them units behind behind a diesel!


Sidebite252
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posted March 05, 2004 11:32 AM  
I wanted a diesel pick up for years. When I got ready to by I test drove Powerstroke; Cummins; and Duramax. I wound up buying an '02 Duramax. Chevy/GM has all of them beat in style and confort with enough room in my crew cab to load up 5 BIG people (just my opinion) and so far I couldn't be happier with the Duramax. Getting close to 20 mpg (no load) and 10 to 12 with the load. The Allison transmission is "THE BOMB" - just push the load/haul button and it does all the up shifting and down shifting - it's great. I've heard the horror stories about the fuel injectors but so far - so good with my truck. To each his own and I did like both the Ford & Dodge but in the end it's what you like. Good Luck

dirtracer14
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posted March 05, 2004 09:50 PM  
I had a 454 in my old tow rig...i feel ya with 9 and 4 mpg ...i have a heavy foot. I went with the psd f350 and only get 14mpg empty and 9mpg towing (no matter 60 mph or 80). I like the look of the f350 and the comfort of the inside...could drive it for days. I have yet to get behind the wheel of the new Chevy....i thinks its because i may like it to much but for now i am happy with my f350. 120,000 without any trans problems and no major motor problems. (glow plugs,cam sensor)

Randy 37
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posted March 10, 2004 04:17 PM  
I have a '99 F250 with a powerstroke. Once the turbo kicks in it goes like a rocket. It has a manual six speed. I get about 17mpg cruising at 80mph. I hauled a 7000lb tractor on a tandem trailer and got about 15mpg. It has 148,000 miles with no smoke. Starts and runs awesome. It is a little loud for my wife's taste. She's not used to a diesel. Actually neither was I, this is my first. I will NEVER by a truck with a gas engine again.

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rrrrick
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posted March 11, 2004 06:40 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by jasonracin19x:
if your in the vegas area, come by will let you test drive!!! email jasonracin19x@aol.com

Jason, my next trip to Pahrump you will have to let me test drive that truck. I would love to see how it pulls my trailer over the hump. Will you Chevy out pull that souped up Ford Expedition that Todd has?
Rick D


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