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johder
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 143
posted December 05, 2005 08:43 PM  
Ok im building my motor for next year. Block is already line honed, and bored .030 for the 355 rules. Ordered pistons from summit last week they didnt have them in stock so had to drop ship from manufactorer. I get them today with only 7 in the box. So im ****ed call summit. Ok we'll have to contact the company and have them ship you another one. SO its gonna be another week or so. Machinist needs them so he can finish honing the walls. He does it each piston to each cylinder. so you know he's getting antsy.

anyhow im just venting on my madness

psycho47
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 58
posted December 06, 2005 06:52 AM  
Murphy's law, if it can go wrong, it will.

leapinlizard
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 426
posted December 06, 2005 07:36 AM  
Why didn't you buy them form the machinist? If something is wrong he can get another set faster then you most times.

zeroracing
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1913
posted December 06, 2005 09:10 AM  
I was talking to my engine guy over the weekend for a few min. He said some guys brought in a set of pistons for a big block motor. The guy had ordered them from a large bulk place, like summit or jegs. Well 5 came in one box with coatings and then 3 in another totaly different box, no coating on them, and they were missing some of the other numbers and markings.... kinda made him go huh. So they are trying to get all that worked out, also he could get a new set of pistons same ones the guy wanted for about 100 bucks less.
I like to go to my engine guy first for everything, from my race car to my street car/truck when it comes to motor stuff.

[This message has been edited by zeroracing (edited December 06, 2005).]

johder
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 143
posted December 06, 2005 03:27 PM  
jesus make it sound likes its my fault. i forgot to put that extra one in the box when i packed it to ship it to my house.


Mark Wakefeld
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted December 06, 2005 03:34 PM  
Uh lets see machine shops buy from Race parts,engine pro and competition products just like you can

Why pay 30 percent more,lol!!!!

PEwaste
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted December 06, 2005 04:09 PM  
That's why you should have ordered from a race shop, like Competition Products, JR Motorsports, Midwest Motorsports, or even E-Bay. I hope you didn't pay too much for those pistons either...

johder
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 143
posted December 06, 2005 05:21 PM  
I bought stuff from midwest, and from jr's. Im STILL waiting on my box from midwest that i ordered 2 1/2 weeks ago. THey didnt have it in stock and never told me. Just decided to ship it when they got it in. Should be here tommorow.

James Ott
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Total posts: 160
posted December 06, 2005 05:39 PM  
Buy my stuff from Northern Auto Parts on ebay heres a sample 8017657246 and they shipped to Canada. Got my stuff in under 2 weeks

Flying Jack Ace
Dirt Roller

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posted December 06, 2005 07:02 PM  
Most machinst are more likely to stand behind their work if you let them get the parts..Something to think about..

johder
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 143
posted December 06, 2005 07:10 PM  
Ok well my machinist wont assemble my motor because he dont wanna put his name on a set of hypers. Must use HIGH dollar parts. Like carillo, callies, etc...He builds 20k sprint and late model motors. He is doing all my machine work , Everything but assembly, checking all bearings, clearances, etc...

Long story short...im using hypers and x rods.... he wants me to use eagle rods and forged pistons for him to assemble it. He doesnt wanna put his name on a 200dollar piston set. I dont blame him because i have never seen one of his engines fail because of something he did. Matter of fact i have never seen one of his engines fail.

This is my first year in this class. Pure Stock. Im on a tight budget, no sponsors yet, so im not gonna dump 5,000 in this motor to start out.

He builds ONLY racing engines.


ryan
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Total posts: 785
posted December 06, 2005 08:40 PM  
(Little longwinded)All this happend within a month of practice day. Lets see I ordered my pistons from J.R. Motorsports and it took 2 days to get them, but they sent standard pistons instead of 30 over like I said. So... I ship them back and I wait 3 days still no pistons call them up. Oops we must have overlooked the return it will be to your house in 2 days, 3 days later called back and that dude acted like they never got the pistons after about a half hour of talking he found them and said it was my fault for not writing some part number or something that I was never told to put on them in the first place. So.... finally it goes to the machine shop for balance and somehow they crack the piston. So they order one at their cost next day air straight from the manufacturer specifing the exact weight and of course they didn't send the correct weighted piston. On the upside the motor lasted all season lol

PEwaste
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted December 06, 2005 09:03 PM  
You must remember that when calling these places, give them the bore size and part number and make sure it is read back. I personally do all my engine part shopping at JR's, and have a great machinist in the Ames location and a good friend in the Ankeny machine shop as well.

mtmod50
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted December 06, 2005 09:40 PM  
I got a set of file fit rings rings once where 7 of the file fits were .040 and one was standered bore.called and raised a little **** they sent the right ones,I sent the wrong ones back,I was never reimbursed for the money I had to pay for the right one's.They were HIGH dollar rings to begin with,let alone the machinist sitting for 2 days!!!!

mansfief
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 134
posted December 07, 2005 06:03 AM  
From experience, I ALWAYS let the machine shop order parts. Machine shops get their parts from a warehouse. The shop I use gets all of his parts from a parts warehouse and he can get the low dollar to the best forged brand named parts and they are always cheaper than any catalog price. He will only charge the price he paid for the parts. I guess thats why he has a long waiting list of racers.



leapinlizard
Dirt Freak

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posted December 07, 2005 07:11 AM  
My machinist doesn't charge for part's either. He's labor rates are higher if you don't by from him though. He get's free next day shipping so I call him in the morning and say "I need whatever" and he say's "you can pick it up tomorrow".

If a part comes in wrong he can send it back and get something else by the next day. Sometimes he buy's two set's and returns one if your in a hurry and can't wait for a screw up.

dirttrackin94
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 112
posted December 07, 2005 12:21 PM  
i order all my parts from racersoutlet on ebay.he can get all the good stuff and ships and is at your door in 2 days,never a hassle and never a problem,parts are always what they are suppose to be...i do all my own engine builds,i have all the machine work done by a freind of mine who works for a well known machine shop here,when i get everything back i assemble it.i use the good stuff(4340 rods,forged pistons) and have had zero problems.machine shops can get no better deals then a good supplier,matter a fact most the time a machine shop is higher..


johder--the hypers will suit you fine,hyper pistons will last a few years as long as you dont go over 12:1 compression and have plenty of piston to wall clearence.hypers expand more then forged so you have to use more clearence for when they get hot and swell..x-rods will also work ok for you.the x-rods are good in something that isnt turned alot of rpms,and as long as your easy on the brakes and gas,they also work fine on a 2bbl application that runs a smooth track...some of my first motors years ago had hypers and x-rods...the 4340 rods and forged pistons are better by far,but for your budget and application they will suit fine..good luck!

wermm
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 110
posted December 07, 2005 01:15 PM  
I also buy from RacersOutlet. 2 years with no problems so far. Always have my order in 2 days

johder
Dirt Maniac

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posted December 07, 2005 05:05 PM  
dirt....how much side wall clearance??? he bored it 30 over. then he marks each piston 1-8. Then hones each cylinder for each piston.

zeroracing
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Total posts: 1913
posted December 07, 2005 05:17 PM  
Your pistons probably said somewhere inthe packaging what hte clearence should be, and should have been what he bored them too, that is why he did each one different. Sounds like a good machinest, some local ones bore a motor all 7 the same, the pistons fit but not perfect and that number 8 one sometimes just does not even let the piston in(not a joke a place in marshall MO, not rick darling race engines, one down the street.) Has bored more than one motor, and had sent them out when not all the pistons will fit in it, then wanted to charge more when the guy brought them back.
Keep the numbered ones in the right holes and it should be good. My last set of pistons had a paper with them that said what the clearence should be.

engineman
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 60
posted December 08, 2005 07:22 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Flying Jack Ace:
Most machinst are more likely to stand behind their work if you let them get the parts..Something to think about..

A-men!

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backofpack
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 104
posted December 09, 2005 07:12 PM  
i deal with 2 shops one sells to me at cost one charges out the **** for the same parts but they can get the power out of an engine it winds up twice as much as the other so i sacrifice a little power for half the cost like everybody else horsepower costs and money talks i to used to order parts but now i let my machinst order the he saved us 150 bucks on one crankshaft this year plus he comes to the track and has helped us change flat tires one our dar the price guy you get a hello and thats about it

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